29 Jan '06 07:30>4 edits
Originally posted by Conrau KSo to have faith i must believe God gave it to me. But i need faith to believe that God gave me faith in the first place.
So to have faith i must believe God gave it to me. But i need faith to believe that God gave me faith in the first place.
You have used the exact same reprehensible logic i mentioned before.
If God gives everyone faith, why are there so many muslims? Why did the Saducees reject Jesus? (if God gave them faith surely they would have embraced him) ...[text shortened]... bserver determine which religion to follow when both are using the exact same arguments to persuade?
Wow, you really are confused (probably my fault). Let’s try it again. This is the definition of faith.
Hebrews 11:1-2 NOW FAITH is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
You don’t “believe” God gave it to you, when God does give it you know. You also don’t need faith to receive faith. Nobody has faith until God gives it to them. Faith is the evidence that a believer needs to know that there is a God. That evidence has to be worked towards, earned if you will. At least this is one possible definition. The term is used quite loosely so I fully understand the confusion.
If God gives everyone faith, why are there so many muslims?
Maybe they have faith.
Why did the Saducees reject Jesus?
Maybe they didn't have faith.
(if God gave them faith surely they would have embraced him)
Maybe they did. Who’s to say that all the Sadducees rejected Jesus? Jesus was pretty convincing at the time. Even today there are Jews who become Christians, and the Jews reject Jesus.
Why do other religions use the exact same logic as you?
Maybe because it works.
How can an impartial observer determine which religion to follow when both are using the exact same arguments to persuade?
Good question. Use the force young Skywalker.
Edit: You could also meditate on it.