Originally posted by robbie carrobie
considering that animate organisms are infinately more complex than the sixty four squares and the sixteen chess men, it is neither logical nor reasonable nor probable to expect mindless matter has arranged itself into the wonderful diversity that makes up life as we know it, and that Mr Hamilton is not a suggestion, its an assertion. Secondly i hav ...[text shortened]... n on the wall, it reads, pretty vacant and out to lunch, have a good day, im good and i am gone!
“...considering that animate organisms are infinately more complex than the sixty four squares and the sixteen chess men, ...”
So? what has complexity of modern life got to do with it? -lets continue....
“...it is neither logical nor reasonable nor probable to expect mindless matter has arranged itself …..”
How so?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/14172
So there is even experimental proof that matter can arrange itself into complex cell-like structures and, therefore, life.
Once a microsphere with inheritable characteristics (a protocell) with an inheritable advantage forms, evolution has a chance to take over and gradually add one tiny bit of complexity at a time over countless generations until cells similar to modern bacteria evolve. So the complexity of modem life does not pose a 'problem' for the theory of evolution but is instead actually implicitly PREDICTED by evolution. Also, there obviously is no upper limit to how “complex” evolution can evolve life; so complexity doesn't impose a problem here no matter HOW complex modern life is! -the complexity of modern life is thus irrelevant here.
“...into the wonderful diversity that makes up life as we know it, ….”
Are you talking about abiogenesis here or evolution? -if abiogenesis, then nobody is suggesting that abiogenesis instantly made up the complexity of life we see today. -if evolution, then the complexity of modern life does not pose a problem for evolution.
All that complexity is generated from natural laws such as natural laws causing evolution that, in turn, create the complexity of living systems. Those processes (such as evolution but there are also various physical processes) themselves do not “just happen by chance” but rather they are an
inevitable consequence of natural laws. Although those processes have some random elements, it is not necessarily those random elements themselves that generate those processes and those same processes also have a certain level of predictability including Darwinian natural selection which is NOT completely random (I only mention this here in case you say that evolution says every living thing came by “chance”; a common misunderstanding -evolution does not say this).