1. Standard memberDasa
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    07 Oct '11 02:401 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Recognizing the existence of the spirit soul within the body is the first step.
    Unless one understands this simple fact, there is no question of spiritual
    advancement. Our bodily constitution and mental atmosphere are determined
    according to how and what we eat. Your body should be healthy to be able
    mentally to raise the consciousness to a spiritual against God. Anyone
    that believes otherwise is not ready or worthy for any more instuctions.
    Slaughtering animals to satisfy the uncontrolled senses is the sign of ignorance.

    Ignorance will prevent one from advancing on the spiritual path.

    The animal lives because of the presence of the soul within.

    The soul is on its specific path.

    You cannot interrupt that path.

    And if you kill and interrupt that path then that is a sin - and the result in killing is that you will have to return to this world and also be killed in the same way (this is karma) like it or not.

    You do not have the right to kill.
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    07 Oct '11 03:49
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Slaughtering animals to satisfy the uncontrolled senses is the sign of ignorance.

    Ignorance will prevent one from advancing on the spiritual path.

    The animal lives because of the presence of the soul within.

    The soul is on its specific path.

    You cannot interrupt that path.

    And if you kill and interrupt that path then that is a sin - and the resul ...[text shortened]... e killed in the same way (this is karma) like it or not.

    You do not have the right to kill.
    I do not slaughter animals to eat. Someone else does it. I just buy
    the meat to eat it. Will I still be unable to advance on the spiritual
    path in that case?
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    07 Oct '11 03:53
    Where do pork rinds and animal crackers fit into all this...
  4. Standard memberDasa
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    07 Oct '11 04:17
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I do not slaughter animals to eat. Someone else does it. I just buy
    the meat to eat it. Will I still be unable to advance on the spiritual
    path in that case?
    Never.

    You will simply return to this world of suffering over and over again.;
  5. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    07 Oct '11 04:20
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I do not slaughter animals to eat. Someone else does it. I just buy
    the meat to eat it. Will I still be unable to advance on the spiritual
    path in that case?
    Buy paying money for it you perpetuate whatever practices the slaughterers use.

    The best way to eat meat is to kill and prepare it yourself.
    If you must buy it, try to suppport abbotoirs that employ humane killing practices with their animals.
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    07 Oct '11 05:00
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Buy paying money for it you perpetuate whatever practices the slaughterers use.

    The best way to eat meat is to kill and prepare it yourself.
    If you must buy it, try to suppport abbotoirs that employ humane killing practices with their animals.
    The slaughtering I am referring to are performed by those that are under
    US government authority and laws to prevent inhumane and cruel
    treatment to animals. The slaughtering and meat are inspected by
    government workers trained in such things.
  7. Standard memberDasa
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    07 Oct '11 05:38
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Buy paying money for it you perpetuate whatever practices the slaughterers use.

    The best way to eat meat is to kill and prepare it yourself.
    If you must buy it, try to suppport abbotoirs that employ humane killing practices with their animals.
    No -no no...........

    The best practice is to stop killing completely and get some spiritual knowledge for guidance..

    There is no use being nice about the killing.

    This will be of no use in helping you advance on the spiritual path.
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    07 Oct '11 05:431 edit
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Buy paying money for it you perpetuate whatever practices the slaughterers use.

    The best way to eat meat is to kill and prepare it yourself.
    If you must buy it, try to suppport abbotoirs that employ humane killing practices with their animals.
    Did you get what Dasa said? You have it all wrong.
  9. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    07 Oct '11 05:47
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The slaughtering I am referring to are performed by those that are under
    US government authority and laws to prevent inhumane and cruel
    treatment to animals. The slaughtering and meat are inspected by
    government workers trained in such things.
    And you believe that?
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    07 Oct '11 05:50
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Never.

    You will simply return to this world of suffering over and over again.;
    Since I don't actually do the killing, will I have a better life when I return
    than the one that does the killing? Will I wind up in a better position or
    worse position than I am now?
  11. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    07 Oct '11 05:50
    Originally posted by Dasa
    No -no no...........

    The best practice is to stop killing completely and get some spiritual knowledge for guidance..

    There is no use being nice about the killing.

    This will be of no use in helping you advance on the spiritual path.
    yes,yes,yes.
    If one kills ones meat and cooks it then they will absorb the karma. They are connected to the animal, the earth and humane practices they employ to kill the animal.
    This is a matter of priorities here that I'm talking about. I believe a human should be able to kill an animal to survive.
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    07 Oct '11 05:51
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Since I don't actually do the killing, will I have a better life when I return
    than the one that does the killing? Will I wind up in a better position or
    worse position than I am now?
    You should not seek reincarnation into any form. The goal of your soul is Nirvana-which may not be realized until you are on your deathbed.
  13. Standard memberRJHinds
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    07 Oct '11 05:52
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    And you believe that?
    Why not? But I don't think it matters anyway according to what I think
    Dasa said.
  14. Standard memberRJHinds
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    07 Oct '11 05:56
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    You should not seek reincarnation into any form. The goal of your soul is Nirvana-which may not be realized until you are on your deathbed.
    Yes, but if I am unable to make it, which I probably will not since I am now
    67 and not getting any younger, I was wondering what determines the kind
    of body and life I will return to?
  15. Standard memberDasa
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    07 Oct '11 05:59
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    You should not seek reincarnation into any form. The goal of your soul is Nirvana-which may not be realized until you are on your deathbed.
    You are not going anywhere.....near Nirvana.

    Killing will ban you from going anywhere near God or nirvana.

    Killing will simply have you return to this world of suffering over and over and over again.
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