22 Apr '14 16:49>
A thread devoted to cherrypicking. Feel free to list those statements which I make that include cherrypicking [I dont mind at all].
Here is a popular one from the 'once saved always saved' gang.
1 Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
This verse is used by them to prove that ALL Christians will get eternal life. Some will get a great reward and some will get a small reward and some will get 'burned' and will be punished but will still get eternal life. Nobody will lose their eternal life among this group of Christians.
First the context, Paul is writing to the preachers and pastors, ministers ie the leaders of the churches that lead the flock:
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
Paul is saying that every man will be rewarded for his own labour. Apparently there were divisions among the people about whose preaching got the credit [in terms of Gods reward] for the increase in the numbers of the church.
But here is the part that these OSAS people ignore. Paul was very clear a couple verses down that there are some Christians who will NOT GET ETERNAL LIFE AS GOD WILL DESTROY THEM,..
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
So the whole story without cherrypicking is:
- Some will get a big reward due to their hard work + eternal life
- some will get a small reward + eternal life
- some will get no reward + eternal life
- some will be destroyed.
All are Christians. All are saints in the Church.
OSAS - another dangerous fallacy and which can find Biblical support only by extensive cherrypicking.
Here is a popular one from the 'once saved always saved' gang.
1 Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
This verse is used by them to prove that ALL Christians will get eternal life. Some will get a great reward and some will get a small reward and some will get 'burned' and will be punished but will still get eternal life. Nobody will lose their eternal life among this group of Christians.
First the context, Paul is writing to the preachers and pastors, ministers ie the leaders of the churches that lead the flock:
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
Paul is saying that every man will be rewarded for his own labour. Apparently there were divisions among the people about whose preaching got the credit [in terms of Gods reward] for the increase in the numbers of the church.
But here is the part that these OSAS people ignore. Paul was very clear a couple verses down that there are some Christians who will NOT GET ETERNAL LIFE AS GOD WILL DESTROY THEM,..
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
So the whole story without cherrypicking is:
- Some will get a big reward due to their hard work + eternal life
- some will get a small reward + eternal life
- some will get no reward + eternal life
- some will be destroyed.
All are Christians. All are saints in the Church.
OSAS - another dangerous fallacy and which can find Biblical support only by extensive cherrypicking.