Attrocities of 'Christianity', history of the Churches

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Child abuse? we certainly wont be taking lessons from you people on how to bring up our children. Indeed, my kids teachers are absolutely astounded at how genuinely polite, helpful and considerate my kid is, in stark contrast they tell me to other children. People like ex witnesses can hardly be considered an unbiased source, they are just haters, ...[text shortened]... about the atrocities of Christians, so either start your own thread or post something relevant.

I thought you classed yourselves as "Christians"?

Originally posted by divegeester
I thought you classed yourselves as "Christians"?

There are Christians and there are those that act like Christians.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
There are Christians and there are those that act like Christians.

Does that disseminate to - JWs and then there is everyone else who kill people?

Originally posted by yavash
to an extent i agree with you BUT have you read the harshness and unforgiving nature of the first testiment? Those are Christian teachings are they not.

yes i myself struggle to come to terms with it, i dont mind telling you that, but it does not justify acts of atrocities on the part of Christians.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what an ignorant answer, if a physician wishes to give a minor blood, he may do so. but we are of course not talking of merely one or two, shall we ask Conrau how many children Catholic clergy have abused and utterly wrecked the lives of, before we even get to the Nasiz's?

Actually, one of my friends from New Zealand whose family is JW was telling me her niece needed an organ transplant after her birth but her parents refused to give consent for a blood transfusion. The infant is now suffering organ failure and will die soon. Now, you may deny that this story is true. The point, however, is that your organisation sickly teaches that this is the morally superior situation.

Originally posted by divegeester
Does that disseminate to - JWs and then there is everyone else who kill people?

as Galvo stated, how many wars have we engaged in? how many weapons have we
blessed? how many bombs have we dropped? were we not incarcerated for failing to
take up arms against other human beings? How many persons have we gunned down in cold blood? do tell.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Child abuse? we certainly wont be taking lessons from you people on how to bring
up our children. Indeed, my kids teachers are absolutely astounded at how
genuinely polite, helpful and considerate my kid is, in stark contrast they tell me to
other children. People like ex witnesses can hardly be considered an unbiased
source, they are just ...[text shortened]... ly loved it. It
was mixed from older ones to young ones, you people dont know the half of it.

Like any thread started by a person in one group bashing a collection of groups that aren't affiliated with his/hers, people will play the same game as the person who started said thread and show how the bashing is commutative.

You made this thread about your group when you hypocritically point your mallet at other groups; likewise any person bashing JWs gets yourself and Galveston75 on the case hitting back.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Actually, one of my friends my New Zealand whose family is JW was telling me her niece needed an organ transplant after her birth but her parents refused to give consent for a blood transfusion. The infant is now suffering organ failure and will die soon. Now, you may deny that this story is true. The point, however, is that your organisation sickly teaches that this is the morally superior situation.

soo this is second hand gossip from an auntie? have you ever considered that there
may be no surgeons willing to do the operation without blood? if she is a minor the
courts overrule the parents, again making your statement hard to believe, but that
is not the case, we have already covered how many persons have been killed by
receiving infected blood and your stance was, if 3,000 are killed to save ten
thousand then that is fine, when in actual fact you don't know the slightest detail
about what alternative treatments are available, yet here you are sounding off as i
you are some kind of expert. we claim , in the case of adults the right of self
determination., get over that fact, we not only think that it is morally superior, we
think that it is biblically sound. I dont care what you think, as a catholic your
organisation has murdered and sexually abused more persons than its possible to
imagine, therefore your words are nothing but a clashing cymbal of pure
hollowness. I sincerely hope you will be exposed thoroughly as the hypocrites you
are , in Rwanda, in Nazi Germany and elsewhere. 'A rotten tree that cannot produce
good fruit', as the Christ stated.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Child abuse? we certainly wont be taking lessons from you people on how to bring
up our children. Indeed, my kids teachers are absolutely astounded at how
genuinely polite, helpful and considerate my kid is, in stark contrast they tell me to
other children. People like ex witnesses can hardly be considered an unbiased
source, they are just ...[text shortened]... ly loved it. It
was mixed from older ones to young ones, you people dont know the half of it.

So what? All you have shown is that members of your organisations have adequate social skills to enjoy a communal sausage sizzle and your kids are well-behaved enough to not be in juvenile detention. I am glad you meet those minimal social standards. But then when your organisation prohibits blood transfusions and discourages higher education and basically requires unthinking obedience, that's when I think your organisation is brainwashing. Sure, your kids might be well-behaved; brainwashing does after all try to expunge rebellious instincts.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
as Galvo stated, how many wars have we engaged in? how many weapons have we
blessed? how many bombs have we dropped? were we not incarcerated for failing to
take up arms against other human beings? How many persons have we gunned down in cold blood? do tell.

No idea.

What about the Mormons or the Christadelphians or the Scientologists or the Pentecostals or the Quakers or the Presbytarians or Plymouth Brethren or the Congregationalists etc etc etc.

Edit: you sound desperate to prove a point - I wish I could see what it is!

Originally posted by Conrau K
So what? All you have shown is that members of your organisations have adequate social skills to enjoy a communal sausage sizzle and your kids are well-behaved enough to not be in juvenile detention. I am glad you meet those minimal social standards. But then when your organisation prohibits blood transfusions and discourages higher education and basically ur kids might be well-behaved; brainwashing does after all try to expunge rebellious instincts.

so what? so we wont be taking lessons from you people on how to bring up our kids,
thats what. How many children do you have Conrau? do tell of your experience as a father.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
soo this is second hand gossip from an auntie? have you ever considered that there
may be no surgeons willing to do the operation without blood? if she is a minor the
courts overrule the parents, again making your statement hard to believe, but that
is not the case, we have already covered how many persons have been killed by
receiving infec ...[text shortened]... ermany and elsewhere. 'A rotten tree that cannot produce
good fruit', as the Christ stated.

may be no surgeons willing to do the operation without blood?

The operation was performed. The blood transfusion was not given. I am unaware of what rights NZ law gives to parents. Certainly in Australia, the courts can override the wishes of parents but I do not know of NZ. I am guessing not. But as I said, the truth of the story is not important; what's important is that your organisation teaches this to be morally superior -- that an infant die rather than receive a blood transfusion.

but that
is not the case, we have already covered how many persons have been killed by
receiving infected blood and your stance was, if 3,000 are killed to save ten
thousand then that is fine, when in actual fact you don't know the slightest detail
about what alternative treatments are available,

In this case, there are no alternative treatments. Hemoglobin is needed to support the new organ. And it seems much better to transfuse blood than to worry about the possibility of infection. The chances of infection are minimal; the chance of death without transfusion is inevitable.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so what? so we wont be taking lessons from you people on how to bring up our kids,
thats what. How many children do you have Conrau? do tell of your experience as a father.

I don't have any children. I don't see why this is relevant though. I have enough experience in life to know that many people enjoy sausage sizzles and have polite children.

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b] may be no surgeons willing to do the operation without blood?

The operation was performed. The blood transfusion was not given. I am unaware of what rights NZ law gives to parents. Certainly in Australia, the courts can override the wishes of parents but I do not know of NZ. I am guessing not. But as I said, the truth of the story is not importa ...[text shortened]... . The chances of infection are minimal; the chance of death without transfusion is inevitable.[/b]

why then are their entire hospitals in America dedicated to bloodless surgery, which do organ transplants if blood is needed? do tell.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I don't have any children. I don't see why this is relevant though. I have enough experience in life to know that many people enjoy sausage sizzles and have polite children.

it relevant because i dont need to justify the way we bring up our children to you, that's
why its relevant, for you have not the slightest inkling on how children should be
brought up, having never experienced it yourself. Please tell me how i should bring
my children up, what advice can you offer me as a parent?