06 Apr '11 13:15>
...and these zillions of games are standing on the shoulders of The Romantics.
Colle nicked the idea from Staunton.
Who?
Staunton, the guy who ducked Morphy. The King of the Romantics.
And this...
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6. π
At the GM level yes! but forget all the GM games and names that have
been quoted and tossed about in this thread.
Sorry to pee on everyone's cornflakes but we are not in that class.
It's akin to posting pictures painted by Rembrandt and saying;
"I have posted the picture so now I can paint like that."
This posted by Robbie:
"Here black actually sacked his knight and lost although
the computer seems to think black is doing fine."
Everyone is guilty of this, not just you Robbie.
They post GM games, quote Silman with great authority and yet
need a box to tell them what is going on. It's a joke.
Give us those GM '+' postions and three moves later it will be '='
three moves after that it will be '-+'
Those five games I posted (which I doubt any of you played over) are us.
Play through them with gritted teeth and accept reality.
The two White wins came from bad middle game play by Black.
White got nothing from the opening.
der schwarze Ritter - General Putzer
Black fell for a two mover - that is the level we are at.
What about 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6. 3.Bc4 π
You don't see that too often a GM level but down here amongst us bottom feeders.
3...Nxc3 dxc3.
And 25 moves or under our DB has 67 games.
43 White wins, 6 draws, 18 Black wins. White has won 69%.
You won't get nothing like that stat looking at GM games.
I chose 25 as it's the standard number for a miniature and it
is the opening we are discussing.
Over 25 moves (2,000) games and they level out to approx 50-50
which is what most openings over 25 move go to on here.
Moral:
Ignore what is happening at the GM level. We are not GM's.
If you have an argument for or against an opening. Show your games.
Let us see what you know about a variaton or a particuliar line.
Paul.
I have 520 of your games on the DB. Not one Petroff. π
Robbie
I have 149 games of yours. One Colle, you were Black. (draw). π
Regarding the Petroff, the lad whose views we should be listening to is porygon User 91407
He has played 593 Pretroff's as Black.
White wins = 196
Draws = 86
Black wins = 311
Someone should go and tell him. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6. = π
I think he might have a counter argument.
Colle nicked the idea from Staunton.
Who?
Staunton, the guy who ducked Morphy. The King of the Romantics.
And this...
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6. π
At the GM level yes! but forget all the GM games and names that have
been quoted and tossed about in this thread.
Sorry to pee on everyone's cornflakes but we are not in that class.
It's akin to posting pictures painted by Rembrandt and saying;
"I have posted the picture so now I can paint like that."
This posted by Robbie:
"Here black actually sacked his knight and lost although
the computer seems to think black is doing fine."
Everyone is guilty of this, not just you Robbie.
They post GM games, quote Silman with great authority and yet
need a box to tell them what is going on. It's a joke.
Give us those GM '+' postions and three moves later it will be '='
three moves after that it will be '-+'
Those five games I posted (which I doubt any of you played over) are us.
Play through them with gritted teeth and accept reality.
The two White wins came from bad middle game play by Black.
White got nothing from the opening.
der schwarze Ritter - General Putzer
Black fell for a two mover - that is the level we are at.
What about 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6. 3.Bc4 π
You don't see that too often a GM level but down here amongst us bottom feeders.
3...Nxc3 dxc3.
And 25 moves or under our DB has 67 games.
43 White wins, 6 draws, 18 Black wins. White has won 69%.
You won't get nothing like that stat looking at GM games.
I chose 25 as it's the standard number for a miniature and it
is the opening we are discussing.
Over 25 moves (2,000) games and they level out to approx 50-50
which is what most openings over 25 move go to on here.
Moral:
Ignore what is happening at the GM level. We are not GM's.
If you have an argument for or against an opening. Show your games.
Let us see what you know about a variaton or a particuliar line.
Paul.
I have 520 of your games on the DB. Not one Petroff. π
Robbie
I have 149 games of yours. One Colle, you were Black. (draw). π
Regarding the Petroff, the lad whose views we should be listening to is porygon User 91407
He has played 593 Pretroff's as Black.
White wins = 196
Draws = 86
Black wins = 311
Someone should go and tell him. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6. = π
I think he might have a counter argument.