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any comments most welcome , please.
Originally posted by PonderableFlip sake, i thought it was a simple, yes, no, cant be sure!
Since you post this in science I would rephrase:
What is the scientific state of knowledge about the beginning of the universe.
Philosophically we could assume that the universe has been there forever, then we would have to answer all the nasty questions about the entropy....
So the answer is: if we do extrapolate some 10exp9 years we come to som ...[text shortened]... hing called the big bang. Some scientists however question the ability to extarpolate that wide.
Originally posted by Proper KnobFabians correct, i never understood a word of that 🙁
The short answer is that nobody knows. From what i understand when the Big Bang theory was first put forward scientists believed there must have been a beginning. But now scientists aren't too sure.
In 1983, James Hartle and Stephen Hawking proposed that a cosmic wave function be applied to the entire universe similar to the wave function that quantum ...[text shortened]... d. It would just BE."4
from http://www.innerexplorations.com/chtheomortext/origin.htm
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat doesn't surprise me. 39 studies since 1927 have shown that the higher your IQ and the more educated you are, the less likely you are to hold religious beliefs.
Fabians correct, i never understood a word of that 🙁
Originally posted by Proper KnobDid not Fischer the King of Chess have a profound belief in God, well then, are you saying he was stupid, hardly! Sir Issac Newton, the eminent scientist also had a profound belief in God, are you saying he was also stupid, no, well then shut up and stop talking nonsense, this is the science forum and Fabian wants to discuss science here, so if you don't mind take your prejudice back down to the spirituality forum, perhaps someone here may be better able to explain the ideas in a more lucid fashion than you, imbecile!🙂
That doesn't surprise me. 39 studies since 1927 have shown that the higher your IQ and the more educated you are, the less likely you are to hold religious beliefs.
In short, stupid people belive in God.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie“Sociologist Zena Blau of the University of Houston recently conducted a study of more than a thousand children in Chicago. [...] In 1981 Blau reported that IQs were lowest among children whose mothers have overly strict religious beliefs. Children whose mothers were from a non-denominational or non-religious background had the highest average IQs - 110 for whites, 109 for blacks. Children whose mothers belonged to "fundamentalist" religious groups tended to have IQs that were 7 to 10 points lower. According to Blau, these religion-IQ differences hold even when you take into account the mother's social class, current occupational status, and education.”
Did not Fischer the King of Chess have a profound belief in God, well then, are you saying he was stupid, hardly! Sir Issac Newton, the eminent scientist also had a profound belief in God, are you saying he was also stupid, no, well then shut up and stop talking nonsense, this is the science forum and Fabian wants to discuss science here, so if you ...[text shortened]... eone here may be better able to explain the ideas in a more lucid fashion than you, imbecile!🙂
Originally posted by Proper Knobwhat has this got to do with the universe and having a beginning? zilch, well take it somewhere else bozo, as for me i have no need of others telling me how stupid i am, i knew that already, but your propensity for stating the obvious is quite remarkable, now if you don't mind, move over rover and let someone answer the question.
“Sociologist Zena Blau of the University of Houston recently conducted a study of more than a thousand children in Chicago. [...] In 1981 Blau reported that IQs were lowest among children whose mothers have overly strict religious beliefs. Children whose mothers were from a non-denominational or non-religious background had the highest average IQs - 110 ...[text shortened]... up by scientific studies. Not one but two. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'll play it back to you.
what has this got to do with the universe and having a beginning? zilch, well take it somewhere else bozo, as for me i have no need of others telling me how stupid i am, i knew that already, but your propensity for stating the obvious is quite remarkable, now if you don't mind, move over rover and let someone answer the question.
Originally posted by Proper Knobactually Scriabin gave a much more comprehensive and lucid statement in the spirituality forum, clearly you were unable to do the same, why? one can only speculate, perhaps lack of teaching ability, inability to take a complex subject matter and break it down into its constituent parts, lack of illustrations, all in all a very shoddy piece of work if you ask me, perhaps thats what you are used to, who can tell, but listen, i got better things to do, than trade insults wid you, so if you dont mind, get lost !
I'll play it back to you.
I gave you an answer to your question, of which you said you didn't understand it. I then pointed out that it didn't surpise me because of the link between IQ and religious beliefs. You said it was nonsense and called me an imbecile, i then provided you with two surveys which backed up my claim.
It's not that hard to follow 9 threads is it?? But you do believe in God................that answers my question.
Originally posted by Proper KnobYour assertion that there is a correlation between IQ and religiosity is backed up by scientific studies. Your assertion that "stupid people belive in God" is not, neither is "clever people don't believe in God" which robbie essentially disproved with an example of an exception.
My Assertion is backed up by scientific studies. Not one but two. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.