Originally posted by sh76
"- Palestine is compensated with other empty land of equivalent geographic area in other areas "
Doesn't this mean that Palestine will get a territory that is divided? If it is, it is a no-no in my book.
No, it can be contiguous. The only thing that obviously has to be divided is the WB from Gaza.
"- All Palestinians that can show that they wer sitions if you were able to be more stringent with Israel from the beginning.
"Yes, I descendants too. If you take offense to it, what do you counter-propose? That all land owned by Palestinians in 1947 now occupied by Israelis be returned to the Palestinian owners of 3 generations ago? We both know that's not going to happen."
Well but all the land that belonged to palestinians from eons ago were taken from them and they couldn't even say a word. One other thing though: will the illegal settlement growth be repaired too?
"As long as there's no more war, why would they need to hostage civilians?"
Why should there be
civilian hostaging during a war? I mean they are civilians.
"If there's peace, it won't be necessary. People who are convicted of crimes should serve their sentences and others will be released as part of a final status agreement."
Facility 1391 should be closed down now. Not just when there is peace. Apparently most people there are civilians and I think that it would serve Israel interests.
"What does that have to do with the Palestinian issue?"
It has to do with everybody's issue. One more stress point along the border. And keep it non-official when everybody knows that it exists just helps things get more credible and transparent.
"And if you can acknowledge that the same has happened to Jews in the region over and over and over again through history, then we can be sympathetic to each others' plights and make a lasting peace agreement."
I think that in that area the case for palestinians is a much stronger one. Don't get me wrong I have lots of admiration for the jewish people (I'm a physicist and Physics has a lot to owe to jewish people) but I don't think that just because they were persecuted through history they can now do the same to another people. If this doesn't make you sick I don't know what will:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-reveal-the-brutal-truth-of-gaza-attack-1746485.html
http://www.shovrimshtika.org/oferet/testimonies_category_e.asp
A side note here: When are we going to see a gipsy country? They were also persecuted, pushed around, adn vilified through history. They were also highly targeted by the nazies. Everytime I ponder about this I see it as a big lack of coherence from the international community.
"You can be stringent on the Israelis and I'll be stringent on the Palestinians. "
I think that you should that not as a reaction too what I say but from your own principles. Even though I wasn't that explicit I already said: "I'm aware of the kids show that is transmitted in palestine that is highly racist, antisemitic and all that." If you want I can even be more stringent than that, but for me I'll do because it is a question of coherence and nothing more, Now if you need me to throw some stones to some actions of some palestinians so that you can do the same to some israeli policies I think that you need to do some real self-critical evaluation.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=pilger+israel&emb=0&aq=f#
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6c3kw_john-pilger-is-israel-a-terroristic