@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
I already said what we can do about it, send money and help to the countries involved to help get rid of the cartels. But of course when I use the word money you start to shake and shudder even if a few billion spent on those countries could save many billions we would not have to spend on border crisis. Same as aid to Ukraine, right wing traitors want to stop ...[text shortened]... , same deal, right wingnuts don't care. Border or Ukraine. And you will vote for X45 no matter what.

You are so funny, Sonny. (See heading "69% of New Jobs"😉. Whachatalkin'bout??

Anyway, you always deserve a response no matter how off-the-wall your mania, so let me say that you are right....If some couple in Mexico makes a mistake (bad choices, per averagejoe) of trying to crash through our border with their kids.........................send money!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Sonhouse, what would the Forum do without you.

@sonhouse said
@Wajoma
Well when a deer rammed into my old car my insurance gave me a 3K check so I was able to get another one. Otherwise it would have been up to me.
I don't think insurance should be mandatory but there are cases of folks getting their cars destroyed by another uninsured driver and getting totally screwed as a result.

If you get the government that you fellers want, you will never have to worry about such matters. The govt will cover everything. Even your 'tuition'if you have to go to driver school.
Do you guys have any idea how illogical, with no common sense, that you see the world?????? You can't think past first base.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
I guess they don't cover that kind of thing when you just watch Newsmax or the other Trumpite sites. You don't seem to know repubs have a slim majority in the house and dems have a slim majority in the senate. So anything Biden does can be killed by the house. You really should take civics 101.

....and you really need to take a valuum.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
You don't give a rats ass WHAT happens to that family and we know that good and well. You don't also give a rats ass the cartels kidnap girls forced into prostitution and boys kidnapped into being cartel warriors.
And any idea of sending money to those governments to stop those cartels is not going to happen even if it means spending one TENTH the amount we spend on border protection. You just don't give a shyte.

I am generalizing, little feller. I am not there to see it, you were not in DC on the 6th.
Generally, if a mother or father put themselves and/or children in the companh of these people, planning to invade the USA border, they are asking for it, plain and simple. They should stay home.
Secondly, if bad guys grab kids from under the noses of their parents, tell us all what we, the USA, should do about it. Please? Tell us.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
ALL babies have rights from CONCEPTION? So if the mother has a miscarriage at say 6 months, she should be put in jail in Texas, that ok with you?
You figure a ten yo girl pregnant by rape or incest should be FORCED to bear that child even if the birth kills the girl GODDA SAVE THAT PRECIOUS LIFE, MUCH more valuable than that bitch kid who couldn't keep her legs shut.

You need to see somebody. I told you that we all, including Trump, would approve abortions of babies of rape and incest.
Are you OK?

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
Biden WOULD do something about it but you know fukking good and well magites control the house so nothing can be done by Biden and you would go that is a GOOD thing.
If he is reelected and owns house and senate he will make Roe the law of the land and you could give a rats ass 80% of US citizens agree with that. It is your magite idiot Christian nationals who have been running the agenda to kill abortion for 50 years. WE WILL DEFEAT THOSE BASTURDS IF WE WIN.

Whew. All over the place. Why do you keep mentioning these two presidents? We finally got abortion to the states, and you are still lookiing for Nirvana, in the face of people, people like me, who just do not agree with your endgame. 'go anywhere, get an abortion, stop the breathing and the blood'. Like getting married with no problem in Vegas. What do you want, anyway? Abortions? I think you do, and i believe you actually want ME, a taxpayer, to dammit pay for them! Do you give no credence to people who revere life????????????????????????????????????????????????? Your buddy Spruce says there is no life until they breathe. I need to ask Spruce what to call a twin that has not been born yet, while his twin (a baby) is laying in a crib in the receiving room down the hall. You guys are a trip. Spruce will not answer that question. How can one be a baby and one not? And you wont answer my 4-month long question.
Oh...Congress? They are federal, the states rule over abortion now. Whew. You make it so hard on yourself.

Sorry, bad day on the golf course

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
What a joke. WE. I guess you figure it was way ok for repubs to have stopped any SCOTUS nominations for Obama but Trump gets three right wingnuts and THEY are the one killing Wade and your orange Jesus is now claiming and proud of the fact he got Roe killed. There is no WE there, it is ALL on the bloody hands of Trump.
And if a state now announces the death penalty for abortions you would be ok with that too. You are one sick SOB.

No, no, no, can you respond to my post just above.? A fair post, as you seem to blame Trump for the problems that may arise, with the states handling the abortion matters.
Do you think that the problems are those of a President? Why, that is to suggest that he just dictate a solution. You don't like the idea of dictators, like Biden is doing right now, as a matter of fact. Now, hey, THERE is something worth writing about.

@spruce112358 said
All babies have rights the moment they start breathing (whether on their own or on mechanical ventilation makes no difference). A given.

Before that, the baby has no soul. The soul enters at the 'inspiration' or first breath.

I'm surprised at your lack of belief, you heretic.

Don't try to use government to force your religious beliefs on me. That will never work in the United States because of the 1st amendment which guarantees freedom of religion.

Hmmm, I thought they were viable as babies at about 5 months. Take them out, they can grow up to be president. Here is a bit of a primer for you. I have to disagree about breathing. Pumping blood is just as important. If I stop breathing, I will be dead in 3 minutes. If your blood stops pumping, so will you.

PS: Religious beliefs?

The primer:


World Record For Premature Birth Goes To Alabama Baby Born 19 Weeks Early. Curtis Means, now 16 months old, was awarded the Guinness World Record for youngest surviving premature birth, after only 132 days of gestation.Nov 11, 2021

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
I guess you didn't hear Trump's latest scree where he said on TV, it is up to the states whatever laws they have made so if a girl gets pregnant in Texas and goes out of state to a free state, she is now a criminal in Texas and that is just fine with Trump since he just goes the way the wind blows, he has no agenda outside of what he thinks is good for his own political power.

How is it the president's (whoever it is) fault for where the chips fall in the abortion conundrum after SCOTUS has ruled , (Properly, I am so sorry) that this is a matter for the states.
Follow me here. We (our society through its process) have decided that, following constitution. So, it is a matter for the states to decide, and to deal with exactly what you set out above.
Sonhouse? Sonhouse.......how is that a problem for a President? Sonhouse? You say 'it is just fine with Trump'. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But the President, whoever that is, has nothing to do with it.
I feel like I spend all day correcting the posts of liberals.

@fartacus said
I don't agree with the climate weirdos.
The planet has been changing its temperature since its beginning. Up and Down.

I just can't stand these virtue signaling clowns that are too scared to go after the worst polluters like China.

I can't use a plastic straw but a billionaire gets to use a private jet constantly.

🤡 🌎

Very good. And pollution is a different animal.
Thankyou for pointing out the 'big' picture, ...."changing since its beginning'. Libs always leave out pesky inconvenient facts. That's why we are here!!! One of the libs used 'FEDERAL GOVERNMENT" in place of the word BIDEN a while back, leading to a misrepresentation. The AvJoe Police was on it!!

As to billionaires in their jets, it is OK if DeCaprio and starlets like TaylorSwift jet around, not a peep out of our libs, but man, we need to get the 'other' billionaires.

@spruce112358 said
"Will you ... tell us that Biden is NOT using congress to get his wishes done" No.

"Or, are you going to write about Trump?" Absolutely not.

If you will NOT tell us that Biden is not using Congress to get his wishes done (his only avenue), then we can only surmise that you are saying that he IS using Congress to transfer the debts of the students to the taxpayers.
Why are you doing this foolishness? Now u r wearing your Suzianne hat.

@spruce112358 said
March 2024 was the hottest March on record.
February 2024 was the hottest February on record.
January 2024 was the hottest January on record
December 2023 was the hottest December on record.
...
June 2023 was the hottest June on record.

10 months where EVERY MONTH is the record breaking month.

Let's say we have been recording temperatures for 100 years (it's l ...[text shortened]... etting hotter. Why? Well... {Ford F-350 go BRRRRR!!!} Let's just say it's hotter that it used to be.

Sorry to make you type all that, you seem to be personally confirming that we have climate change just like Sonhouse confirms that there was an insurrection. You cannot just DO that in these arguments.
My question, has it been adjudged under no uncertain terms that we have climate change caused by humans? Adjudged by an approved international panel? Have they wrestled with fact that it will reverse itself and soon be the COLDEST month on record. It fluctuates, you know.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
What kind of bullshyte answer is that? Cartels have ASSAULT rifles by the hundreds, a lady with a couple of kids is supposed to somehow overtake that? You have the empathy of a snake.

If the little lady lives in a village 400 miles from the border, where cartels are charging big bucks to bring them to the border, tell us just what the cartel is doing to the little lady. I assume the little lady wants to go to America voluntarily? Taking her own risk? That pesky choice I am always mentioning? So when she steps into the world of the cartels, what gives rise to some empathy for her making this decision?
I lose your logic sometimes, sorry.

@spruce112358 said
I've always seen rape that results in pregnancy as the crux of the matter. Rape pregnancies, regardless of rarity, are actually THE case that governs all others. Solve that and you have solved all others.

1) If a rape pregnancy cannot be terminated because the child has rights from the moment of conception then this is true EVEN IF the mother's life or health is "in j ...[text shortened]... quick "Almost never happens! Edge case! Not the issue!" because they know people generally chose #2.

Word salad?
All babies have rights from moment of conception. A given.
We, our society, must decide that the right of babies who are conceived within 15 weeks may be taken away from them. That seems to be the middle ground between the 2 sides. Then, that being decided, all babies resulting from rape/incest should be painlessly put to sleep.
Isn't that about it?

@spruce112358 said
It was done the right way. Congress passed the Bill. Trump signed the Bill. Biden followed the conditions laid out in the Bill.

We are in FURIOUS agreement.

Agreement about what? Will you clear the air and tell us that Biden is NOT using congress to get his wishes done, as did Trump, or, are you going to write about Trump?
Geez