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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57455533/roger-clemens-acquitted-on-all-charges-in-perjury-trial/?tag=breakingnews
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Originally posted by shortcircuitLeave it to a Texan to give a bye to a Texan. This dirty bastard was so full of juice for so long it isnt funny.His records should be permanently erased from the books
The government didn't get Bonds, John Edwards, or Clemens.
Their weakest case was against Clemens, yet the persisted.
Stupidity runs rampant in the Federal government.
I think Henry Waxman and Arlen Specter should be brought up on charges.
Let the federal government represent them.
Then they would do jail time for sure!!
Congrats to Roger!!!
Originally posted by mudpieYou are a first class idiot. You got that?
Leave it to a Texan to give a bye to a Texan. This dirty bastard was so full of juice for so long it isnt funny.His records should be permanently erased from the books
Originally posted by quackquackExplain to me the differences in cheating?
Performance enhancers are significantly than different than other forms of cheating. It makes guys like Bonds who should decline in performance hit homeruns at literally unpresidented rates. The Hall of Fame should not reward this type of behavior.
Clemens may not have been convicted of committing perjury. But it does not in any way make his stor famous the athlete there will be an acquital and few people will feel justice has been served.
Originally posted by shortcircuitI am not foolish enough to think all violations are equal. When substances allow guys to do things that are otherwise impossible action needs to be taken.
Explain to me the differences in cheating?
Are you judge and jury as to what type of cheating is worse than another?
I am talking about players who threw games.
Players who doctored equipment being used in games.
Players who evaded paying income taxes intentionally.
Players who were drug users and abusers.
Players who were narcotics possessors ...[text shortened]... you distinguish between "good" infractions of the rules, and "bad" infractions of the rules?
Originally posted by quackquackHis body of work PRIOR to Toronto was better than 90% of the careers of the rest.
I am not foolish enough to think all violations are equal. When substances allow guys to do things that are otherwise impossible action needs to be taken.
Here is the list of homeruns by season all time leaders. No one else in century comes closer to what the cheaters were able to do during the height of the steriod era:
Bonds (age 36) 2001 73 h sure what else any sane person needs to conclude that Clemens' career is 100% fraudulent.
Originally posted by shortcircuitHere are a few difference between Clemens and Ryan.
His body of work PRIOR to Toronto was better than 90% of the careers of the rest.
Give me a break.
Go check the career stats for Nolan Ryan.
Tell me that it has not been done before.
Originally posted by quackquackYou said the numbers were not possible.
Here are a few difference between Clemens and Ryan.
(1) Nolan Ryan didn't pitch during the height of the steroid era.
(2) Nolan Ryan does not have his DNA on needles. Ryan was not cited in the Mitchell Report.
(3) Nolan Ryan never met up with someone who admitted to giving him performance enhancers.
(4) Nolan Ryan never had a former teammate/ f ...[text shortened]...
(5) Nolan Ryan never had his wife say she, but not her husband used performance enhancers.
Originally posted by shortcircuitClemens turn around is completely performance enhanced. Ryan's career arch looks nothing like Clemens. There is no sudden surge anywhere. In fact other than the fact that it took Ryan a few years to find himself there is absolutely no pattern in his career.
You said the numbers were not possible.
Now you are saying they are possible.
Which is it?
Originally posted by quackquackDoesn't the fact that McNamee wasn't employed by Toronto until AFTER Clemen's Cy Young year of 1997 crush your theory?
I am not foolish enough to think all violations are equal. When substances allow guys to do things that are otherwise impossible action needs to be taken.
Here is the list of homeruns by season all time leaders. No one else in century comes closer to what the cheaters were able to do during the height of the steriod era:
Bonds (age 36) 2001 73 h ...[text shortened]... sure what else any sane person needs to conclude that Clemens' career is 100% fraudulent.
Originally posted by no1marauderNo, there is no reason to think McNamee introduced the idea of performance enhancer. In fact McNamee told the NYT that Clemens asked him to inject making it very possible that Clemens had explored other froms of eprformance enhancers prior to meeting McNamee. Similarly, I doubt Bonds one day woke up called BALCO and got top notch customized drugs. First there is experimentation and one works their way towards harder to get and more effective sources.
Doesn't the fact that McNamee wasn't employed by Toronto until AFTER Clemen's Cy Young year of 1997 crush your theory?