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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/story/2012-05-02/junior-seau-dead-gunshot/54712488/1
Originally posted by ChessPraxisSO sad! Such talent lost. Perhaps if he had decided instead to bury himself in community work or other positive distractions. RIP. May the Lord forgive him!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/story/2012-05-02/junior-seau-dead-gunshot/54712488/1
Originally posted by scacchipazzoPerhaps if he did not have multiple head related injuries that inflict virtually all NFL players, he'd still be alive today.
SO sad! Such talent lost. Perhaps if he had decided instead to bury himself in community work or other positive distractions. RIP. May the Lord forgive him!
Originally posted by quackquackTo be truthful, there is no way anyone can say that, short of speculation.
Perhaps if he did not have multiple head related injuries that inflict virtually all NFL players, he'd still be alive today.
Originally posted by shortcircuitVery well said, Shortie! It is absurd to speculate about such serious matters and push further still towards girlifying a manly sport. There is evidence that steroid abuse may lead to violent behavior, but there is ample research on that. There indeed is no established link between head injuries and suicide. Troy Aikman and Steve Young would have offed themselves long ago.
To be truthful, there is no way anyone can say that, short of speculation.
Dave Duerson is the only NFL suicide who contended this, and to my knowledge, the
brain autopsy did not prove or disprove the contention.
There are a multitude of ex-NFL players out there who did not commit suicide.
Their bodies are badly brutalized, no doubt, but that was ...[text shortened]... There
are other sports where concussions happen regularly, hockey and rugby to name a couple.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoIt is simply not true that there is no evidence between brain injury and suicide. Here are just a few cases reported by a few sources.
Very well said, Shortie! It is absurd to speculate about such serious matters and push further still towards girlifying a manly sport. There is evidence that steroid abuse may lead to violent behavior, but there is ample research on that. There indeed is no established link between head injuries and suicide. Troy Aikman and Steve Young would have offed themselves long ago.
Originally posted by quackquackYou reference two cases. Duerson's post-mortem was inconclusive at best. There is simply only anecdotal information as of yet and nothing firm. Believe me if there were a connection CDC would be all over it. CNN and Wiki? I am sorry, but these hardly qualify as bastions of objectivity and since CNN, NYT and its minions would love to eradicate male athletics they are not trustworthy regarding their opinions. Did you know that Wiki frequently revises entries that may show the leftists/socialists/marxists in a negative light? I simply would never trust anything wiki posts and CNN/NYT has an agenda as well. The study you mention fails to attribute other potential sources for the increased incidence of depression. How about the multifold increase in depression in athletes whose careers are over? Is that also from concussions? Have these been taken into account as possible sources of lingering depression? The reality is that anyone who was formerly in the limelight has built in increased incidence for depression by simple removal from the limelight. Now all that said, the issue merits more study, but objective study sans the input of the CNN's, NYT's and other such sources of hugely biased "feelings" based garbage or unremovable political agendas. The matter should be left up to CDC, NIH or rigourous scientific studies.
It is simply not true that there is no evidence between brain injury and suicide. Here are just a few cases reported by a few sources.
According to the NYT, a 2007 study conducted by the University of North Carolina's Center for the Study of Retired Athletes found that of the 595 retired N.F.L. players who recalled sustaining three or more concussions ...[text shortened]... robehavioral disorders and bizarre behavior.
Dave Deureson, Junior Seau fit these patterns.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoYou don't see baseball or basketball players repeately comitting suicide at alarming rates. In fact you don't see kickers or quaterbacks committing suicide eiither. The difference is that they aren't spending 20 plus years leading with their heads.
You reference two cases. Duerson's post-mortem was inconclusive at best. There is simply only anecdotal information as of yet and nothing firm. Believe me if there were a connection CDC would be all over it. CNN and Wiki? I am sorry, but these hardly qualify as bastions of objectivity and since CNN, NYT and its minions would love to eradicate male athle ...[text shortened]... his suicide and do not report symptomatology of depression. How does that fit your theory?
Originally posted by quackquackYou are wrong about Duerson. He shot himself in the chest so they would autopsy his brain.
You don't see baseball or basketball players repeately comitting suicide at alarming rates. In fact you don't see kickers or quaterbacks committing suicide eiither. The difference is that they aren't spending 20 plus years leading with their heads.
Duerson post-mortem was certainly NOT inconclusive. He suffered just about every symptom known from ers rate and and similar memory rate is 19X as large as the normal rate for men age 19-49.
Originally posted by shortcircuitThe party that really matters, the NFL, is certainly worried because they know that the liability could be literally be big enough to ruin their sport.
You are wrong about Duerson. He shot himself in the chest so they would autopsy his brain.
EDIT: Duerson's autopsy was NOT conclusive.
Originally posted by quackquackWell, if the NFL goes down, so would the NHL and Professional Boxing to name a few.
The party that really matters, the NFL, is certainly worried because they know that the liability could be literally be big enough to ruin their sport.