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@sonship saidTo understand what Jesus is saying there, one needs to understand it in context of other things He said.
@ThinkOfOne
I advocate for the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.
Passages such as 1 John 3:4-9 are consistent with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.
The verse you cited is not.
No you do not preach the Gospel of Christ.
No one can even clearly get you to admit that you believe in God.
And you oppose Christ a ...[text shortened]... of the covenant, which is being poured out for many for forgiveness of sins." (Matt. 26:27,28) [/b]
To understand what Jesus is saying there, one needs to understand it in context of other things He said.
@sonship saidI didn't even read the rest of your post beyond this sentence.
@ThinkOfOne
To understand what Jesus is saying there, one needs to understand it in context of other things He said.
I didn't even read the rest of your post beyond this sentence.
To understand what Jesus is saying you first have to believe in God.
You cannot clearly confess to this. So then forget about understanding the words of Jesus or helpin ...[text shortened]... ession that you believe in God, forget about helping anyone to understand the words of Jesus Christ.
@thinkofone saidHere is the test not the one you have attempted to create that doesn't agree with the rest of scripture.
I didn't even read the rest of your post beyond this sentence.
If you were able to reasonably and logically refute the contents of my post, you would have. But you didn't. Pretty much business as usual for you.
The words spoken by Jesus while He preached His gospel have little meaning for you and many other Christians.
The words spoken by Jesus while He preached His gospel have little meaning for you and many other Christians.
@sonship saidClearly neither you nor KJ are able to reasonably and logically deal with the content of my posts. If you were able, you would. Instead you stoop to acts of desperation such as this.
@ThinkOfOne
The words spoken by Jesus while He preached His gospel have little meaning for you and many other Christians.
If you don't believe in God or are too cowardly to confess to the world that you don't, you can handle the words of Jesus as much as you want.
You don't know what He is speaking and you can help no one with the Bible, Old or New ...[text shortened]... THICKEST darkness.
ToO, I fear that you have locked yourself in unbelief and thrown away the key.
@thinkofone saidIf you offered more than I am right, and everyone else, including the whole Bible is wrong we could.
Clearly neither you nor KJ are able to reasonably and logically deal with the content of my posts. If you were able, you would. Instead you stoop to acts of desperation such as this.
Clearly neither you nor KJ are able to reasonably and logically deal with the content of my posts. If you were able, you would. Instead you stoop to acts of desperation such as this.
@thinkofone said"To understand what Jesus is saying there, one needs to understand it in context of other things He said. "
To understand what Jesus is saying there, one needs to understand it in context of other things He said.
1) The word given as "forgiveness" literally means "FREEdom".
2) In John 6 Jesus also speaks of "eating", "bread", "body/flesh", "drinking" and "blood". wherein Jesus uses the metaphor of "eating flesh", "drinking blood" to refer to " the words that I have spoke ...[text shortened]... throughout about this. Everything points to FREEdom - not forgiveness. FREEdom from committing sin.
To understand what Jesus is saying there, one needs to understand it in context of other things He said.
1) The word given as "forgiveness" literally means "FREEdom".
2) In John 6 Jesus also speaks of "eating", "bread", "body/flesh", "drinking" and "blood". wherein Jesus uses the metaphor of "eating flesh", "drinking blood" to refer to " the words that I have spoken to you".
In short, one "eats" and "drinks" His words so that they will abide in Him.
3) In John 15 Jesus explains that "abiding" in Him entails "keep[ing] His commandments" (words).
4) In John 8 Jesus explain that those who "abide in [His] words" will be made "FREE" from committing sin.
So when Jesus tells them to eat His body (flesh) and drink His blood, He is really speaking of them eating and drinking His words just as He does in John 6.
So what Jesus means in Matthew 26:28 is "for [these are My words] of the covenant, which is poured out for many for [FREEdom from] sins"
"And from Jesus Christ ... to Him who loves us and has RELEASED us from our sins BY HIS BLOOD." (See Revelation 1:5)
NIV
" has freed us from our sins by his blood,"
English Standard Version
" has freed us from our sins by his blood"
Berean Study Bible
"has released us from our sins by His blood,"
Berean Literal Bible
"and releasing us from our sins through His blood,"
New American Standard
"and released us from our sins by His blood--"
Christian Standard Bible
"and has set us free from our sins by his blood,"
Contemporary English Version
" and by his blood he set us free from our sins."
Aramiac Bible in Plain English
"and has loosed us from our sins by his blood."
@pathtowardwholeness saidWelcome to the forum. You will find in here that many posters seem to believe that posting something, anything, makes it objectively true. This is especially evident with several of the Christian posters here who feel victimised when disagreed with and justified in inappropriate retaliatory behaviour.
@KellyJay Quoting scripture as a justification to buttress your point of view proves absolutely nothing save for the Christian apologetic you are trying to advance. It may resonate with people who identify themselves as 'Christian' but it will not make significant change in anyone else's life. If your quest is to Evangelize, I think you would do better on another forum and directed at people interested in your point of view.
@pathtowardwholeness saidAnd?
@KellyJay Quoting scripture as a justification to buttress your point of view proves absolutely nothing save for the Christian apologetic you are trying to advance. It may resonate with people who identify themselves as 'Christian' but it will not make significant change in anyone else's life. If your quest is to Evangelize, I think you would do better on another forum and directed at people interested in your point of view.
@pathtowardwholeness saidWelcome to the Forums, and RedHotPawn!
@KellyJay Quoting scripture as a justification to buttress your point of view proves absolutely nothing save for the Christian apologetic you are trying to advance. It may resonate with people who identify themselves as 'Christian' but it will not make significant change in anyone else's life. If your quest is to Evangelize, I think you would do better on another forum and directed at people interested in your point of view.