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    @fmf said
    Already explained ad nauseam, in the past, over and over again, every time this topic came up, and now again on this thread, Go back and read my posts.
    Lol. Back to your favorite ripcord again.
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    @fmf said
    Your "truth" claims about "everlasting life" are not "objective".
    You can’t know that. But you are entitled to your opinion.
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    @dj2becker said
    Lol. Back to your favorite ripcord again.
    It's your prerogative to believe and claim that you are debating this topic in good faith.
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    @dj2becker said
    You can’t know that. But you are entitled to your opinion.
    We are both entitled to our subjective opinions about whether there is or isn't "everlasting life". My belief - that there isn't - is subjective. Your belief - that there is - is subjective.
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    @fmf said
    We are both entitled to our subjective opinions about whether there is or isn't "everlasting life". My belief - that there isn't - is subjective. Your belief - that there is - is subjective.
    Logically only one of them will turn out to be objectively true.
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    @dj2becker said
    Logically only one of them will turn out to be objectively true.
    I believe neither of us will be able to make any "objectively true" claims once we're dead. Any claim that you make now regarding how you will be able to make "objectively true" claims after you're dead - as a result of you having "everlasting life" - are completely subjective.
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    @fmf said
    I believe neither of us will be able to make any "objectively true" claims once we're dead. Any claim that you make now regarding how you will be able to make "objectively true" claims after you're dead - as a result of you having "everlasting life" - are completely subjective.
    You don’t have to make a claim for it to be true. If it is true it’s true regardless of the claims you happen to make and whether you think it’s subjective or not.
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    @dj2becker said
    Logically only one of them will turn out to be objectively true.
    And if it turns out to be true it would have been objectively true all along.
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    @dj2becker said
    Oh I see. It’s ok to call your opinions facts. Would you say spiritual matters are still opinion based and subjective even if they happen to be true?
    I've and others have comprehensively demonstrated to you the rational and reasoning as to why personal spiritual experience is subjective and therefore opinion. I suggest you go back and read those posts and comment directly about what was said instead of downshifting into your @fetchmyjunk modus opperandi of ignoring replies and asking the same question over and over and over and over again.
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    @dj2becker said
    And if it turns out to be true it would have been objectively true all along.
    Nonsense.
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    @dj2becker said
    So now you suddenly agree that it is possible for a subjective opinion to be true?
    The key word in your post is "possible".
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    @dj2becker said
    If those subjective opinions turned out to be true what makes you so sure that it’s impossible for opinions about supernatural causality and divine law to be true?
    The key word in your post is "if".
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    @dj2becker said
    So now you suddenly agree that it is possible for a subjective opinion to be true?
    The key word in your post is "possible".
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    @dj2becker said
    Truth by definition is objective.
    No it isn't.

    Your childlike example of the earth being a sphere but "objectively" appearing flat to persons 1000s of years ago demonstrates this.
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    @dj2becker said
    Logically only one of them will turn out to be objectively true.
    The key words in your post are "turn out".
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