1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    Can you have freedom without constraints, rules, and laws?
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    @kellyjay said
    Can you have freedom without constraints, rules, and laws?
    Yes, Only Christian churches have true freedom.
    They profess faith in Christ
    They are saved.
    They do what ever they like
    No rules or laws to follow
    No commandments to keep
    They have eternal life.
  3. Standard memberKellyJay
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    @rajk999 said
    Yes, Christian churches have true freedom.
    They profess faith in Christ
    They are saved.
    They do what ever they like
    No rules or laws to follow
    No commandments to keep
    They have eternal life.
    You are talking for other people as if you know, but I'm not interested in what you think about them. I could care less what you think someone else thinks or why they think it. Since you can speak for yourself and never get that wrong, how about limiting your conversation to just that?
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    @kellyjay said
    You are talking for other people as if you know, but I'm not interested in what you think about them. I could care less what you think someone else thinks or why they think it. Since you can speak for yourself and never get that wrong, how about limiting your conversation to just that?
    OK ...
    I am a Christian and I have true freedom.
    I profess faith in Christ
    I am saved.
    I do what ever I like
    No rules or laws to follow
    No commandments to keep
    I have eternal life.

    Hows that?
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    @kellyjay said
    Can you have freedom without constraints, rules, and laws?
    "True freedom"

    Why did you put the word "true" in there?
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    @bigdogg said
    "True freedom"

    Why did you put the word "true" in there?
    Fake freedom isn't what I care about.
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    @rajk999 said
    OK ...
    I am a Christian and I have true freedom.
    I profess faith in Christ
    I am saved.
    I do what ever I like
    No rules or laws to follow
    No commandments to keep
    I have eternal life.

    Hows that?
    Do you believe you have no rules to follow?
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    @kellyjay said
    Do you believe you have no rules to follow?
    Yes, I am a true Christian.
    Jesus Christ is my righteousness.
    His death on the cross has lifted the burden of law Keeping
    Those who do good works are trying in vain to save themselves.
    They are not trusting in the saving Grace of God.
    No rules, No commandments. Im saved.

    You want some references?
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    @rajk999 said
    Yes, I am a true Christian.
    Jesus Christ is my righteousness.
    His death on the cross has lifted the burden of law Keeping
    Those who do good works are trying in vain to save themselves.
    They are not trusting in the saving Grace of God.
    No rules, No commandments. Im saved.

    You want some references?
    These are your statements about you; you believe no rules allow you freedom, explain.
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    @kellyjay said
    Fake freedom isn't what I care about.
    Can you give an example of a 'fake' freedom?
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    @bigdogg said
    Can you give an example of a 'fake' freedom?
    It is being able to do anything just because you want to without constraints, rules, laws.
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    @kellyjay said
    It is being able to do anything just because you want to without constraints, rules, laws.
    If everyone does that, we have anarchy.

    Some seek power - a double standard. Rules are for other people to follow.

    Perhaps a dictator or very wealthy person can come very close to this, however. While it sucks for the rest of the people who have to live under this person's power, I would not call that person's freedom 'fake'.

    Would you?
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    @bigdogg said
    If everyone does that, we have anarchy.

    Some seek power - a double standard. Rules are for other people to follow.

    Perhaps a dictator or very wealthy person can come very close to this, however. While it sucks for the rest of the people who have to live under this person's power, I would not call that person's freedom 'fake'.

    Would you?
    True freedom, I should have clarified, wasn't just for the individual, but us all. I agree double standard and anarchy would be issues without limitations.
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    @rajk999 said
    OK ...
    I am a Christian and I have true freedom.
    I profess faith in Christ
    I am saved.
    I do what ever I like
    No rules or laws to follow
    No commandments to keep
    I have eternal life.

    Hows that?
    I think you’re under-estimating (or failing to recognize) the power of God’s Holy Spirit that indwells a believer the moment that the believer accepts and believes in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection.

    That believer becomes a new creation with a new heart and new desires that are not at all like his or her old sin nature.

    People overcome bad and sinful habits by realizing they are the righteousness of God in Christ. See 2 Corinthians 5:21.

    When Christians believe right, they live right.
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    @rajk999 said
    OK ...
    I am a Christian and I have true freedom.
    I profess faith in Christ
    I am saved.
    I do what ever I like
    No rules or laws to follow
    No commandments to keep
    I have eternal life.

    Hows that?
    This is not what you preach.
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