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Originally posted by FMFDid you read what I wrote? Jesus took all the punishment for sin, my sin
And your strong faith also tells you that you won't be punished for your sins tomorrow, or the day after, or next week, as long as your faith is strong, right?
it isn't something I want to put on Him, look at what He went through! If
there are those that wish to go on sinning because they feel they get away
with it, then they really have not turned to God, they have not really
repented. I do not want a life of sin, if it happens I do go to Jesus for
forgiveness knowing He was the one that paid the price for my evil deeds.
My 'strong' faith isn't something I'd even throw around either! There are
days I feel like I have strong faith, but others if sin manages to creep into
my life, it does not feel strong, but very weak and beaten. The grace of God
is stronger, and God helps me recover, by getting back up and following
after God again.
The thing that makes life such a joy is God, His fellowship, the gifts He gives
and so on. To focus on sin and trying to get away with it, just misses the
mark so much it isn't even funny. Love trumps evil, it is not a contest! My
all time favorite verse in scripture is Gen 15:1 where God speaking to
Abram says,
"After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
There is no greater reward than God, if you miss that you miss it all.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYes. I am reading what you write every time. If you look back, my questions have been very straight forward. But your answers have not been straight forward. If you "serve God", the sins you commit in the future will be forgiven... yes or no? If you "serve God", the sins you commit in the future will not incur punishment for you... yes or no?
Did you read what I wrote? ...
Originally posted by FMFIt is by God's grace I'm saved and my sins are forgiven, not by my efforts
Yes. I am reading what you write every time. If you look back, my questions have been very straight forward. But your answers have not been straight forward. If you "serve God", the sins you commit in the future will be forgiven... yes or no? If you "serve God", the sins you commit in the future will not incur punishment for you... yes or no?
I've said that to you over and over as well. I serve because I should, it is
the least I can do for what God has done for me. If you are looking for the
foundation of it all it is God's grace and mercy. If I'm saved, because I do
work for God than it is due to my work, not by God's grace and mercy. My
sins are forgiven due to God's grace, yes...not by my efforts to please God.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFNo, they are not forgiven because I serve God.
Yes. I am reading what you write every time. If you look back, my questions have been very straight forward. But your answers have not been straight forward. If you "serve God", the sins you commit in the future will be forgiven... yes or no? If you "serve God", the sins you commit in the future will not incur punishment for you... yes or no?
Kelly
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Originally posted by FMFIf a man/woman loves God, they will strive to do what God wants. We are all sinners, and we do stupid things all the time. In this day and age when we are bombarded by advertisements of sex and me, me, me. It can be difficult to be on the straight and narrow.
And your strong faith also tells you that you won't be punished for your sins tomorrow, or the day after, or next week, as long as your faith is strong, right?
God knows this too. This is why we need to repent daily and not just once in our lifetimes. Sin is a disease of spirit. And with any disease, if it isn't taken care of, it could take your life. This is also true with sin. Even though a man/woman has given themselves to Christ. And yes Christ's gift is eternal. It is still up to us to keep it. Once saved always saved is a fallacy. It is once that Jesus saves us, but we humans must continue to receive Him. We humans who continue to reject Him though our own sin.
This is why it is important to understand purgatory. A place of purging. We must have the faith of children to enter heaven. Innocents goes a long way. There was a thread here recently about ignorance, in which I stated, sometimes it is a blessing.
There are types of sin that must be repented before death. pre planned murder, pre planned rape are among a long list. Basically if you do something with the intention of doing harm to another human you are in big trouble. God doesn't take kindly to a "Christian" who takes advantage of others for his own benefit. This is why it is written, "But Lord, we cast out demons in your name. And the Lord responded, away from me, I never knew you"
Originally posted by PudgenikI'm sorry the purging of sin? I know of the washing of sin by the blood of
If a man/woman loves God, they will strive to do what God wants. We are all sinners, and we do stupid things all the time. In this day and age when we are bombarded by advertisements of sex and me, me, me. It can be difficult to be on the straight and narrow.
God knows this too. This is why we need to repent daily and not just once in our lifetimes. Sin ...[text shortened]... t Lord, we cast out demons in your name. And the Lord responded, away from me, I never knew you"
Jesus Christ, I've not seen in scripture of a purging of sin. So you'd have
to show me in scripture where you are getting this doctrine.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayNo you are pursuing a discussion that leads in a personal direction, and I dont care to do that. If you notice I dont ask you anything about yourself. I dont know you and you dont know me. So lets keep it general.
How is it relevant is I want to know if you have to go to God for forgiveness
more than the day you were saved? It seems that every time the topic of
forgiveness comes up you seem to push a point of view that anyone who
believes we have to go to God for forgiveness, and may have to do it again
is some how promoting a life style of sin. I do not promote such a thing and
I'm insulted you would even hint at it after I say something.
Kelly
All Christians sin and all have to go to God for forgiveness. I think we already established that. What you do not want to admit to is that NOT ALL THOSE WHO SIN WILL BE FORGIVEN even if they ask and repent. Some will be forgiven and some will be refused forgiveness. God decides that not you or me or any priest or pastor.
You missed what I said about what promotes a lifestyle of sin. If it is the case that pastors teach that you cannot lose your eternal life no matter how grave the sin. or how evil the act or how depraved the behaviour etc, that God cannot refuse you eternal life, then that promotes a sinful lifestyle, because then there are no dire consequences for those whose sins are great. Gods hands are not tied. The teachings of Christ and the Apostles is clear that there are consequences for sin for both the converted Christian and the non-Christian. And those consequences include God refusing to grant eternal life.
Here are the passages again which I know you do not accept :
1. ... if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. (Hebrews 10:38 KJV)
2. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (2 Pet 2:20-21)
3. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23 KJV)
4. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Hebrews 10:26 KJV)
5. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)
Originally posted by KellyJayWell neither do yours. Did Christ preach that you can sin and still get eternal life? Your doctrine glorifies sin rather than condemn it. Yours take eternal life, rather than wait in hope and expectation of eternal life to be granted in the end or on the last day as the Bible says.
Again with the insults, who are you following? You words sure don't seem
to reflect one who is the Prince of Peace?
Kelly
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Originally posted by Rajk999You are very twisted, you don't have a clue about my beliefs if that is what
No you are pursuing a discussion that leads in a personal direction, and I dont care to do that. If you notice I dont ask you anything about yourself. I dont know you and you dont know me. So lets keep it general.
All Christians sin and all have to go to God for forgiveness. I think we already established that. What you do not want to admit to is that NOT ...[text shortened]... ucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)[/i]
you think I stand for. You are quick to accuse and insult, you are not at all
filled with peace and grace. I have NEVER said that all one has to do is ask
for forgiveness and then go on sinning, that is your twisted thinking that
puts those words in my mouth!
I have maintained since day one that not everyone who says, "Lord, Lord"
is going to be forgiven of their sins. Yet you accuse me of saying things I
have never said. Only a very small number will find their way to the Lord
because they love their sin over Him. I've NEVER said that I decide over
God, I've never said that a priest or pastor has power over God! God is the King
of the Universe, His Word and will are all that matters and I trust Him over
everyone!
I put it to you, will any of us stand before God sinless in our own right?
I'll tell you upfront no, none of us will.
If you want to tell me that you are sinless you are gravely mistaken and
we can part ways.
There is no sinner that God cannot save whose sin is beyond the grace
of God.
You are quick to condemn, quick to judge guilty, shame you are not filled with
grace and mercy as much as you are judgment and condemnation.
Kelly
Originally posted by Rajk999Christ taught us He is the answer to our sin, we should renounce sin and
Well neither do yours. Did Christ preach that you can sin and still get eternal life? Your doctrine glorifies sin rather than condemn it. Yours take eternal life, rather than wait in hope and expectation of eternal life to be granted in the end or on the last day as the Bible says.
turn to Him. We should make Him our Lord and He will forgive us! I hate
sin and its working upon us, I do not glorify it, but Jesus Christ who is the
answer to everything that keeps us from serving God with all of our hearts
and minds.
Kelly