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@philokalia saidYou grew up with a feeling of “travesty” about what?
The feeling of travesty.
@philokalia saidYou grew up with a feeling of “travesty” about what?
The feeling of travesty.
@divegeester said
You grew up with a feeling of “travesty” about what?
chattel slavery of Black people
@philokalia saidBut becoming a Christian didn’t make you feel more offended by it as you did with the occupation of the Hagia Sophia?chattel slavery of Black people
(Phrasing courtesy of FMF)
@divegeester saidI am not sure how very old, very ingrained feelings about Black chattel slavery in the 17th-19th century would need to be revisited for some new insights after conversion any more than, say, sitting down and contemplating the Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge, the Holodomor, etc., in a new light would entail.
But becoming a Christian didn’t make you feel more offended by it as you did with the occupation of the Hagia Sophia?
I ask because earlier you were talking about slavery in the bible as being a “concession” by god and that coupled with your reputation for hold racist views.
@philokalia saidWow, and there was me thinking slavery was just obviously immoral.
I am not sure how very old, very ingrained feelings about Black chattel slavery in the 17th-19th century would need to be revisited for some new insights after conversion any more than, say, sitting down and contemplating the Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge, the Holodomor, etc., in a new light would entail.
OF course, it is a radical transformation.. but these historical ev ...[text shortened]... not change the conclusions that I largely made before from a political or historical perspective. ^^
@philokalia saidAnyway, yes yes....
I am not sure how very old, very ingrained feelings about Black chattel slavery in the 17th-19th century would need to be revisited for some new insights after conversion any more than, say, sitting down and contemplating the Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge, the Holodomor, etc., in a new light would entail.
OF course, it is a radical transformation.. but these historical ev ...[text shortened]... not change the conclusions that I largely made before from a political or historical perspective. ^^
@divegeester saidYou know there's a special relationship between orthodoxy and the Hagia Sophia, yes?
Anyway, yes yes....
But becoming a Christian didn’t make you feel more “personally offended” by it as you did with the occupation of the Hagia Sophia?
@philokalia saidYou know there’s a special relationship between Christ and human freedoms, yes?
You know there's a special relationship between orthodoxy and the Hagia Sophia, yes?
@philokalia saidWhen you say "Hagia Sophia" are you talking about the building or the saint?
You know there's a special relationship between orthodoxy and the Hagia Sophia, yes?
@divegeester saidSo you believe that Christ desired the immediate manumission of all slaves..? Or you believe that Christ believed His message would result in starting a process that promoted manumission and human liberty?
You know there’s a special relationship between Christ and human freedoms, yes?
@wolfgang59 saidWell, the thread is about the Church.
When you say "Hagia Sophia" are you talking about the building or the saint?
I can't see a "special relationship" between either and Eastern Orthodoxy.
What is it?
@philokalia saidWhat do you think Hagia means? 😵
Well, the thread is about the Church.
I have not heard of the Saint, but maybe that's the joke.
@philokalia saidI believe that slavery in any form is wrong, you don’t.
So you believe that Christ desired the immediate manumission of all slaves..? Or you believe that Christ believed His message would result in starting a process that promoted manumission and human liberty?
@divegeester saidIt's a very admirable moral stance.
I believe that slavery in any form is wrong, you don’t.
Prove me wrong.