The Fountain Filled with Blood

@sonship said
"Doubling down" on the redemption of Christ is good.

But this isn’t what you are doubling down on and you know it. Why be so dishonest?

The redeeming power of the blood of Christ is something the seeker should return to and double down on. It is by the blood of Christ we can overcome. Overcoming is at stake. And that means spiritual warfare is at stake. And that means bringing in the kingdom of God to this earth is at stake.

"And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, Now has come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ, for the accuser of our brothers has been cast down, who accuses them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they loved not their soul-life even unto death." (Rev. 12:10,1)

The victors must stand firmly on the redemption of Christ. This is the masterkey which enables them to receive all of Christ's work of transformation and conformation.

So those interested in the coming of the Lord's kingdom should indeed "double down" on standing on Christ's merit. His blood was shed for us and we are clothed in Himself as our righteousness.

Watchman Nee on Revelation 12 and the blood of the Lamb:

"The Blood of the Lamb
First, "they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb." Victory in spiritual warfare is based upon the blood of the Lamb. The blood is not only for forgiveness and salvation, it is also the basis by which we overcome Satan. Some people may think that the blood is not of much value to those who have grown in the Lord. They suppose that some may grow to the extent that they go beyond the need of the blood. We must emphatically say that there is no such thing! No person can grow to the extent that he surpasses the need for the blood. God's Word says, "They overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb."

The major activity of Satan against Christians is to accuse them. Is Satan a murderer? Yes. Is he a liar and a tempter? Yes. Is he one who attacks us? Yes. But this is not all. His chief work is to accuse. Revelation 12:10 says, "The accuser of our brothers has been cast down, who accuses them before our God day and night." We see here that Satan accuses the brothers day and night. Not only is he the accuser before God, but he is also the accuser in our conscience, and his accusations can cause us to become weak and completely powerless. He likes to accuse people to such an extent that they consider themselves useless and thus lose all their ground for fighting with him. We are not saying that there is no need for us to deal with sin. We must have a keen sense toward sin, but we should not accept the accusations of Satan."

From The Glorious Church by Watchman Nee

Continueing from The Glorious Church by Watchman Nee
on "The Blood of the Lamb"

"Once a child of God accepts Satan's accusations, he will feel that he is wrong all day long. When he rises early in the morning, he will feel that he is wrong. When he kneels down to pray, he will feel that he is wrong and does not even believe that God will answer his prayer. When he wants to speak a word in the meeting, he will feel that it is no use, because he is not right. When he wants to give an offering to the Lord, he wonders why he should offer anything, because God would surely not accept an offering from such a person as he. The main concern of Christians like this is not how glorious and victorious the Lord Jesus is, but how evil and worthless they are. From morning to evening they are consumed with the thought of their own worthlessness. Whether they are working, resting, walking, reading the Scriptures, or praying, a single moment does not pass without their consideration of how worthless they are. This is the accusation of Satan. If Satan can keep them in such a condition, he was won the victory. People in this state are powerless before Satan. If we accept these accusations, we can never be an overcomer. Often when we are engrossed with the thought of our own evil, it is easy for us to mistakenly consider this as Christian humility, not realizing that we are suffering the harmful effect of Satan's accusations. When we sin, we must confess and deal with it. But we must learn another lesson; we must learn to not look upon ourselves, but only gaze upon the Lord Jesus. Being conscious of our self every day from morning until evening is a sickly condition. It is the result of accepting the accusations of Satan.

In the consciences of some of the Lord's children there is little feeling toward sin. This kind of people are not of much spiritual use. However, there are many of God's children whose consciences are so weak that they have no real awareness of the work of the Lord Jesus. If we ask them if they have the sense of a particular sin, they cannot point to any. Yet they always have the feeling that they are wrong. They always feel that they are weak and worthless. Whenever they think of themselves, they lose all of their peace and joy. They have accepted the accusations of Satan. Whenever Satan gives us this kind of feeling, we are weakened and can no longer resist him.

We must not, therefore, lightly esteem the accusations of Satan. His chief work is to accuse us, and he does it day and night without ceasing. He accuses us in our conscience as well as before God until our conscience becomes so weak that it cannot be strengthened.

In the daily life and work of a Christian, the conscience is of great importance. The apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 8 that if one's conscience is defiled, he is destroyed. Being destroyed does not mean eternal perishing but that a person can no longer be built up. He has been so weakened that he has become worthless. First Timothy 1 says that a man who thrusts away his conscience is shipwrecked regarding the faith. A ship which is wrecked cannot sail. Therefore, whether or not a Christian can stand before God depends upon whether he has any offense in his conscience. Once he accepts the accusations of Satan, his conscience is offended, and once his conscience is offended, he cannot proceed in his service nor fight for God any more. We must realize, therefore, that Satan's main work is to accuse us, and this is the work we must overcome. "

@sonship said
Continueing from The Glorious Church by Watchman Nee
on "The Blood of the Lamb"

Watchman Nee never mentions a “fountain of blood” either.

@divegeester said
Watchman Nee never mentions a “fountain of blood” either.

How do you know?
You only say you read two books by Nee.

How did you find out Nee never mentioned a fountain filled with blood?

Next are you going to tell me that Nee never mentioned "Sit, Walk, and Stand"?

Can you find the phrase "Sit, walk, and stand" anywhere in the Bible ?

Nee mentioned "Sit, walk, and stand". At least his book is so titled.
That exact phrase I cannot locate anywhere in the 66 books of the Bible.

Should I discount a Christian book called "Sit, Walk, and Stand" as unbiblical ?

@sonship said
How do you know?

Prove me wrong then....

@sonship said

Should I discount a Christian book called "Sit, Walk, and Stand" as unbiblical ?

Don’t be a prick sonship. Just admit you are wrong.

Stop adding worship phrases about the blood of Christ to worship songs. It is repellent.

1.) You dodge explaining how you KNOW Nee never referred to it.
Dodge away. You should be careful before you so confidently affirm things.

2.) The burden is yours to prove that he never referred to fountain filled with blood. The positive truth claim is yours. Shoulder the burden of proof that your claim is true. How do you know ?

3.) Even if Watchman Nee never DID refer to the phrase - SO WHAT ??

4.) In my opinion you are overreacting. A few phrases related to redemption can be put together poetically by those who adore Jesus. So "fountain filled with blood" is the creation of poetry enjoyed by some who love Christ's redemption. What unwritten rule says - ONLY PHRASES THAT CAN BE LOCATED IN THE BIBLE OUGHT BE USED IN WORSHIP?

Case by case the careful Bible student can ascertain if there is sufficient warrant to poetically express some blessing of God's salvation. Knee jerk protest - "That's not in the Bible" is not that impressive. One can be "dead right" spiritually. And one can be livingly wrong spiritually.

Lovers of Christ put together two passages and arrive at an expression of deep appreciation - " a fountain filled with blood drawn from Emanuel's veins".

You haven't written one tiny, small, minute word of appreciation for Christ's atoning death as far as I can tell. Nothing much was written by you on "sprinkled" blood. Maybe your disapproval has to do with you having never experienced God's forgiveness?

@sonship

Have you ever considered that the whole manifest Cosmos might be the Body of Christ?

@kevin-eleven said
@sonship

Have you ever considered that the whole manifest Cosmos might be the Body of Christ?

No. Though it is an interesting proposal.
The Cosmos is great and has its place.
But why would I consider it to be body of Christ?
God's omnipresence does not mean that the whole Cosmos is the Body of Christ.

What is not people should not be Christ's body for this reason:
These items do not have His life.
Though the Cosmos may be made new Christ's life is imparted into the born again people.
His body has to be those creatures (human beings) into whom Christ's life has
been imparted.

This would begin to be with regenerated human beings who have received Christ as divine life.

A whale would not be in Christ's body. Nor would a coral reef or a carrot or a emerald or piece of fried chicken or a planet or a turnip or a horse or a wagon wheel or a galaxy. Some of these items may have biological life. But they do not have Christ's life.

Even angels do not make up the body of Christ.

The body of Christ would have to be born again people into whom Christ has COME. That is a beginning. " . . . the church which is His Body, the fullness of the One who fills all in all." (Eph. 1:22b,23)

@kevin-eleven said
@sonship

Have you ever considered that the whole manifest Cosmos might be the Body of Christ?

I think you are confusing the omnipresence of God with the ecclesia, the called out, the church.

@sonship said
No. Though it is an interesting proposal.
The Cosmos is great and has its place.
But why would I consider it to be body of Christ?
God's omnipresence does not mean that the whole Cosmos is the Body of Christ.

What is not people should not be Christ's body for this reason:
These items do not have His life.
Though the Cosmos may be made new Christ's life is impart ...[text shortened]... His Body, the fullness of the One who fills all in all." (Eph. 1:22b,23)[/b]

Redeemed human b

But when He offered bread as His Body, and wine as His Blood, might that not have been his first lesson in Christo-Cosmology 101 for the people at the table?

@sonship said
I think you are confusing the omnipresence of God with the ecclesia, the called out, the church.

Nope, not me. This is a bad analogy, but that would be like be confusing the room that contains the aquarium with the magic crystals.