22 Jan '19 16:47>
Can it be said that human history is a prelude to the creation event?
[b] "And He is the Head of the Body, the church; who is the BEGINNING, FIrstborn from among the dead, that He might have the first place in all things." (Col. 1:17,18)
[quote] And to the messenger of the church in Laodicea write:
These things says the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD." (Rev. 3:14)
@entropysail saidIt already has.
Does that mean that mankind could end up creating God?
Does that mean that mankind could end up creating God?
@sonship saidOf course man cannot 'create' God. But he can, and has, created the 'idea' of such a divine being (s) to give answers and meaning to life (where none are available). And as FMF has indicated, this has been down thousands of times throughout history (such is the fear in man of his own mortality and need for hope and reassurance).
@entropysail
Does that mean that mankind could end up creating God?
I don't think so. I think mankind can create idols.
All kinds of idols have been created by human beings.
By definition I don't think mankind could genuinely create a Person for whom a greater could not exist.
The cause of something should be greater than the effect.
If ma ...[text shortened]... e other way around that our Creator is God.
But man has created many idols and called them gods.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWith the old gods [Greek / Roman], might the motivation be to deify human behavior by making the gods essentially human-like in their behavior, only with much more power at their fingertips? Those gods were lustful, jealous, violent, merciful, etc. in turns.
Of course man cannot 'create' God. But he can, and has, created the 'idea' of such a divine being (s) to give answers and meaning to life (where none are available). And as FMF has indicated, this has been down thousands of times throughout history (such is the fear in man of his own mortality and need for hope and reassurance).
@sonship saidI don't think mankind could genuinely create a Person for whom a greater could not exist.
I don't think so. I think mankind can create idols.
All kinds of idols have been created by human beings.
By definition I don't think mankind could genuinely create a Person for whom a greater could not exist.
@bigdoggproblem saidYes, good point.
With the old gods [Greek / Roman], might the motivation be to deify human behavior by making the gods essentially human-like in their behavior, only with much more power at their fingertips? Those gods were lustful, jealous, violent, merciful, etc. in turns.
Of course, they can. There is nothing to stop them. And all it needs then is for ideologues like you to make assertions like this about whatever the writers have come up with and thus suggest that it wasn't the writers who came up with it.
And all it needs then is for ideologues like you to make assertions like this about whatever the writers have come up with and thus suggest that it wasn't the writers who came up with it.
@sonship saidThe point is, humans can conjure up whatever religions they want, regardless of whether god or gods exist.
@FMF
Of course, they can. There is nothing to stop them. And all it needs then is for ideologues like you to make assertions like this about whatever the writers have come up with and thus suggest that it wasn't the writers who came up with it.
No it is not about -
"WHATEVER ... the writers have come up with".
That is why there was some ...[text shortened]... Your generalization I do not accept as the case with God communicating to man over many centuries.
@fmf saidI took the point to be here:
The point is, humans can conjure up whatever religions they want, regardless of whether god or gods exist.
I don't think mankind could genuinely create a Person for whom a greater could not exist.
Of course, they can. There is nothing to stop them. And all it needs then is for ideologues like you to make assertions like this about whatever the writers have come up with and thus suggest that it wasn't the writers who came up with it.
@entropysail saidYes, it makes a lot more sense than a lot of other rubbish here
Can it be said that human history is a prelude to the creation event?
@sonship saidWriters can create mythology and that mythology can depict any being or person the writers want. It then becomes a "reality" in the imaginations of adherents.
My point is they could not create such a Person.
The existence of that Person could not come forth from their imagination to reality.