18 Sep '21 12:33>
A wave of vapidness passes over the SF.
@suzianne saidFrom your point of view, those accounts are wrong. You believe the Bible is full of lies.
Do you even understand that they were written by the same guy who wrote the Creation story and the Flood story?
@suzianne saidOf course. Obviously the blind like yourself cannot understand what it says.
But aren't you the one claiming that the entire Bible is the literal Word of God?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDoesn't this depend on which Law is being referred to? When Jesus said 'not one jot of the Law shall pass away er I return' the Law he meant was the Torah, the Jewish Law with all that that entailed: not wearing clothes woven from two different fabrics, not eating meat and dairy products at the same meal, getting circumcised, and so on and so on. It seems very unlikely that Paul thought that these strictures pertained to gentiles. So, the question arises, which law was Paul thinking ought to apply to gentiles, which law is supposedly written in the hearts of all men (Jews and gentiles alike)?
All gentiles have the law written on their hearts. Paul is saying this is shown by those gentiles who instinctively perform the requirements of the Law. (Those gentiles who don't follow the law are not adhering to their conscience).
Paul is basically saying that ignorance of the law is not a defense as all have the law written on their hearts. (And that this is ev ...[text shortened]... law).
Your position that God is selective on the hearts he writes His law on is not scriptural.
@moonbus saidIn the time of Paul the Law of Moses and the commandments of Christ were in effect. The Gentiles who heard neither of these, would obviously have their own law which to keep and it is on these laws they will be judged, according to Paul. All people have a conscience, and all know good from evil and all cultures and all people from Adam to now know how to apply the laws of justice, mercy and compassion. Even though the Law of Moses is complex and detailed both Christ and the Apostles conceded the following truth:
Doesn't this depend on which Law is being referred to? When Jesus said 'not one jot of the Law shall pass away er I return' the Law he meant was the Torah, the Jewish Law with all that that entailed: not wearing clothes woven from two different fabrics, not eating meat and dairy products at the same meal, getting circumcised, and so on and so on. It seems very unlikely that P ...[text shortened]... ply to gentiles, which law is supposedly written in the hearts of all men (Jews and gentiles alike)?
@rajk999 saidMatthew 8:4, KJV: "And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them."
In the time of Paul the Law of Moses and the commandments of Christ were in effect. The Gentiles who heard neither of these, would obviously have their own law which to keep and it is on these laws they will be judged, according to Paul. All people have a conscience, and all know good from evil and all cultures and all people from Adam to now know how to apply the laws of ju ...[text shortened]... ristians do not like 😀]
Christ drove home this point in some crystal clear language in Matt 25.
@moonbus saidIm not seeing a conflict with Matt 8. The Jews were under the Law of Moses and the Gentiles are not under that law and neither is there any reference in the bible that God intends for Gentiles to keep that law or does he intend to write it in everyone hearts. If there is such a reference let me know.
Matthew 8:4, KJV: "And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them."
This is just after Jesus has rendered the unclean man spiritually fit to enter the temple. To 'offer the gift that Moses commanded' means to make a sacrifice, a goat or something, according to th ...[text shortened]... over his own children; he could kill them and not be charged with homicide, according to Roman law.