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Spirituality

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    27 Nov '18 16:342 edits
    @suzianne said
    I disagree. You seem to think that Christianity is some "mish-mash" of ideas cobbled together by people after the fact, many of whom wish to "cash-in".

    No. Christianity, as offered up in the New Testament, rightfully belongs among the world religions, with its message of hope and personal responsibility.

    It's just how some people practice it, and their "perspectitive ...[text shortened]... you love yourself".

    But guess what? People fall short. That's not the "fault" of Christianity.
    You seem to think that Christianity is some "mish-mash" of ideas cobbled together by people after the fact...

    Christianity uses the Bible as a whole as its foundation. The Bible in and of itself is a "'mish-mash' of ideas cobbled together by people" - by the various prophets and text writers. As such, the Bible is filled with inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions. From that "mish-mash" Christians pick and choose the verses and passages that support their beliefs and dismiss those that don't and often do so in a most disingenuous manner.

    On the whole the Bible is incoherent, thus an unsound foundation.

    Christianity IS about "following the teachings of Jesus". It's also about "loving God" and "loving your neighbor as you love yourself".

    While that may be at the core of YOUR Christianity, for a sizable percentage if not a majority here in the US, it is not at the core of THEIR Christianity.

    Interestingly enough it's also at the core of the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

    You don't believe many things taught by Paul. Why do you consider him to be a true prophet? You should try to understand Matthew 7:15-20. It's a warning from Jesus about those such as Paul.

    But guess what? People fall short. That's not the "fault" of Christianity.

    If Christianity had a sound foundation, such a large percentage wouldn't fall so short so as to have beliefs that are antithetical to the teachings of Jesus.
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    27 Nov '18 18:42
    @ThinkOfOne

    Christianity uses the Bible as a whole as its foundation. The Bible in and of itself is a "'mish-mash' of ideas cobbled together by people" -


    Now when others expound, it is a mish-mash. When YOU do it, chiming in about "while He walked the earth" its OK though.

    Its only "mish-mash" when it is not YOUR teaching being proposed.


    by the various prophets and text writers. As such, the Bible is filled with inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions.


    But when ThinkOfOne expounds, why there are no inconsistencies. Jesus predicts His rising from the dead. But you teach His work ended when He died.

    Those are not "inconsistencies" because YOU are the teacher.
    We understand.


    From that "mish-mash" Christians pick and choose the verses and passages that support their beliefs and dismiss those that don't and often do so in a most disingenuous manner.


    Of course you do not pick and choose what YOU want to emphasize and pick and choose what YOU dismiss as not part of Christ's ministry.

    Only others "pick and choose" from the "mish-mash".
    We understand.

    Christ said we would no true prophets BY THEIR FRUITS.
    So we can examine the lives lived of the major servants of God helping us to see what is what in the revelation of the God's oracles.

    That is not saying a teacher is infallible. That is saying something like -

    "Hudson Taylor left us a more impressive example of Christian living then Mary Baker Eddy. His fruits testify he is probably closer to a good interpretation of a complex message of God."

    We listen to expounders. But we also should consider the fruit of their living. It is not a plea that Hudson Taylor was incapable of wrong teaching. It is a plea that the outcome of His walk with God manifests an approvedness which calls for more serious attentativeness then say, Charles Russell or Brigham Young.
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    @sonship said
    @ThinkOfOne

    Christianity uses the Bible as a whole as its foundation. The Bible in and of itself is a "'mish-mash' of ideas cobbled together by people" -


    Now when others expound, it is a mish-mash. When YOU do it, chiming in about "while He walked the earth" its OK though.

    Its only "mish-mash" when it is not YOUR teaching being proposed.

    ...[text shortened]... pprovedness which calls for more serious attentativeness then say, Charles Russell or Brigham Young.
    Now when others expound, it is a mish-mash. When YOU do it, chiming in about "while He walked the earth" its OK though.

    Its only "mish-mash" when it is not YOUR teaching being proposed. Jesus predicts His rising from the dead. But you teach His work ended when He died.

    But when ThinkOfOne expounds, why there are no inconsistencies.

    Those are not "inconsistencies" because YOU are the teacher.
    We understand.


    How exactly is this not an ad hom wrapped in a straw man? What you quoted was about the Bible being a "mish-mash".

    It's really simple jaywill.
    1) On the whole the Bible is a "mish-mash".
    2) By and large, the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth is reasonably sound. It's not a "mish-mash". It's the voice of the one Christians call "Lord, Lord", but don't have as the foundation of their beliefs.

    As for the point about picking and choosing - that's mainly directed at the many Christians who disingenuously claim that they don't pick and choose. They pick and choose all the same. They lack the intellectual integrity to admit it. That they pick and choose from a "mish-mash" makes it all the worse.

    Christ said we would no true prophets BY THEIR FRUITS.
    So we can examine the lives lived of the major servants of God helping us to see what is what in the revelation of the God's oracles.

    That is not saying a teacher is infallible.


    See if you can understand what Jesus is saying in the passage as a whole and especially what He's saying in the text that's in bold:

    Matthew 7
    15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
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