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@fmf saidThat's what you believe. Based on the lack of knowing yourself.
You believe there is one. You are using the word "know" im a hyperbolic way.
It's called projecting.
@fmf saidThat's what you believe. Based on the lack of knowing yourself.
You believe there is one. You are using the word "know" im a hyperbolic way.
@josephw saidI am not impressed with this 'debating point'. It's a kind of appeal to the existence of a magical effect on you which makes only you [in this conversation] able to perceive and comprehend that there exists a magical effect on you caused by your religious faith. It's a weak, "special pleading" kind of informal fallacy.
Or perhaps the discussion is beyond your spiritual capacity to comprehend the meaning, purpose and spiritual application of faith as it relates to God.
@josephw saidWe are both simply sharing what we believe, josephw.
That's what you believe. Based on the lack of knowing yourself.
It's called projecting.
@fmf saidYou can't know I don't know.
Could there be a creator entity? Yes. Does either of us know that there is one? No. You believe there is one: fair enough. I understand.
@josephw saidNeither of us knows. What you have is faith. Strong conviction. Certainty. Firm belief. If people with your beliefs know about a creator entity, then faith would not be necessary.
You can't know I don't know.
@fmf saidYou assume too much as if the limits of your knowledge are also everyone else's
Neither of us knows. What you have is faith. Strong conviction. Certainty. Firm belief. If people with your beliefs know about a creator entity, then faith would not be necessary.
@kellyjay saidYour faith in Jesus is a function of cognition and exposure to religious stimuli. I recognize this in you. For a long, long time, I didn't recognize it in myself.
You assume too much as if the limits of your knowledge are also everyone else's
limits. So you assume that when the scriptures teach, Jesus will come into those that
belong to Him, that only those with the Spirit of God can even see the Kingdom of
God. You automatically think that is a lie because you have never seen it. That only
shows you have never seen it because if true, you have never seen it means you
never had the Spirit of God which is required.
@kellyjay saidNeither of us has ever "had the Spirit of God" in a supernatural sense. We have only ever had faith that we "had the Spirit of God" in a supernatural sense.
That only
shows you have never seen it because if true, you have never seen it means you
never had the Spirit of God which is required.
@fmf saidNaw, what you realized was you couldn't see the Kingdom of God because God was
Your faith in Jesus is a function of cognition and exposure to religious stimuli. I recognize this in you. For a long, long time, I didn't recognize it in myself.
@kellyjay saidI don't think I have incorrectly assumed anything.
Naw, what you realized was you couldn't see the Kingdom of God because God was
never in you, and you incorrectly assumed that the same thing was true for everyone
else.
@fmf saidI'm sure of that; who assumes they got it wrong while declaring they are right?
I don't think I have incorrectly assumed anything.
@kellyjay saidI am simply sharing with you the fruits of my experiential knowledge of faith.
I'm sure of that; who assumes they got it wrong while declaring they are right?