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What scriptural evidence is there that the founders of Christianity had a good understanding of the human condition when it comes to the nature of belief, lack of belief, and diversity of religious belief?
@fmf saidAtheism and religious diversity would have been heavily discouraged to the point of death I expect. It existed though.
What scriptural evidence is there that the founders of Christianity had a good understanding of the human condition when it comes to the nature of belief, lack of belief, and diversity of religious belief?
@divegeester saidIt's a bit primitive, isn't it? Merely an insult. An assertion. It doesn't demonstrate any understanding of lack of belief. They sound like words written by an incurious groupist.
Psalm 14 : 1a
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
@fmf saidIt doesn’t indicate understanding but I think there is an insight into the thinking about those who secretly held onto a notion of their being no god. Secretly being the word.
It's a bit primitive, isn't it? Merely an insult. An assertion. It doesn't demonstrate any understanding of lack of belief. They sound like words written by an incurious groupist.
@divegeester saidBut anyone can hurl the word "fool" at 'the other' or the non-member. That was Dasa's thing. Everyone who didn't believe what he believed was a "fool". Anyway, Psalm 14:1 is the Hebrews singing to the Hebrew choir and - and I agree - it doesn't constitute "understanding".
It doesn’t indicate understanding but I think there is an insight into the thinking about those who secretly held onto a notion of their being no god. Secretly being the word.
@fmf saidYes, I’m not referring to the fool comment, we get lots of that in here! I’m just indicating that “unbelief” in those days was probably mostly held in secret, not to be discussed on pain of death. There was clearly little or no understaning of the concept of atheism.
But anyone can hurl the word "fool" at 'the other' or the non-member. That was Dasa's thing. Everyone who didn't believe what he believed was a "fool". Anyway, Psalm 14:1 is the Hebrews singing to the Hebrew choir and - and I agree - it doesn't constitute "understanding".
@fmf saidWhat exactly is your derfintion of "good understanding"?
What scriptural evidence is there that the founders of Christianity had a good understanding of the human condition when it comes to the nature of belief, lack of belief, and diversity of religious belief?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidSeems more like mundane partisan preening trash talk and 'xenophobia', as it were, rather than insight. Thinkers have managed to arrive at a rather more sophisticated analysis of the diversity of human belief and morality than that in the meantime. Groupists 2,000 years ago paint a picture of restricted god figure.
(Colossians 2:8)
Non-believers seem to be perceived as deceitful and that any philosophies they hold are empty without God.
@ponderable saidPerhaps one could start with the fact that the 'revelation' that was allegedly conducted in an effort to convince, convert and "save" everybody has been ineffective and contentious.
What exactly is your derfintion of "good understanding"?
@ponderable saidI think you can have a "good understanding" of them ~ along with their intellectual nature ~ and, yes, you can belittle them at the same time if you want. Instead of belittling them, are you going to burn them in flames for their belief?
Can I have a good understanding of a Person who claims the Flat Earth Theory to be valid, even though I oppose thier belief in that? Or will all my understanding be understood as Belitteling, since in fact I do think I know more than they?
@ponderable saidThe prevailing Christian belief is that Jesus is going to oversee her torture after she dies. Is that what her 'incorrect religion' earns her after kindly offering Jesus - someone from a different religion - a drink? I have given assistance to a Muslim before and they have said kind words rooted in their religion; was I supposed to have converted to Islam?
How would you rate the Meeting with the woman described in John 4. Was she a believer from the beginng? Did Jesus have a good understaning of her? Did he treat her with respect?
The prevailing Christian belief is that Jesus is going to oversee her torture after she dies.
"Come, see a man who told me all that I have done, Is this not the Christ? "
@sonship saidBut if she does not believe in Jesus' divinity at her death and is still an adherent to her own religion ~ the religion of her parents, her grandparents, and perhaps countless generations stretching back ~ despite her being a good person ~ isn't Jesus going to torture her in burning flames and watch over the process along with some "angels"?The prevailing Christian belief is that Jesus is going to oversee her torture after she dies.
Old Twisto-brain strikes again.
And he gets upset because it has to finally be pointed out that he's full of crap.
John 4:29
"Come, see a man who told me all that I have done, Is this not the Christ? "
@fmf saidThere is the famous passage:
What scriptural evidence is there that the founders of Christianity had a good understanding of the human condition when it comes to the nature of belief, lack of belief, and diversity of religious belief?
For the director of music. Of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
And the Lord said to Moses, “How long will this people despise me? And how long will they not believe in me, in spite of all the signs that I have done among them?
Jesus answered him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.”