Born again???

Rajk999

Nobody is yet born of the Spirit.

verses the Bible

"Having been born again ... "

Readers you choose which one you want to believe.

I choose to believe First Peter 1:3, 23.

@sonship said
Rajk999

Nobody is yet born of the Spirit.

verses the Bible

"Having been born again ... "

Readers you choose which one you want to believe.

I choose to believe First Peter 1:3, 23.

Born again have two types. Both are spiritual changes
Born of water = baptism = accepting Christ = spiritual rrebirth.
Jesus saves the sinner at this point from his sins.
This is not eternal life, not regeneration, neither is it born of the Spirit.

When Jesus returns then there is born of the Spirit [as Jesus stated clearly]
It means eternal life, changing physical bodies into spiritual ones like Christ.
For the righteous only.

Two separate and distinct events.

Born again have two types. Both are spiritual changes
Born of water = baptism = accepting Christ = spiritual rrebirth.
Jesus saves the sinner at this point from his sins.

When Jesus spoke of being born of water and of the Spirit, the water part probably referred to baptism that John the Baptist was administering. He was telling Nicodemus that baptism by John the Baptism was a beginning in repentance.

John the Baptist was a forerunner of Christ, pointing for people not to follow him [John ] but Jesus the Son of God.

Jesus comes to cause men to receive the divine life which the Spirit is. So burial in the water of John's baptism was a pointer to receiving Christ's divine life that one may be BEGOTTEN to be one of the children of God.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name:

Who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:11-13)

This being born is a salvation and it is receiving eternal life in the innermost part of man's spiritual being - his spirit. That is why Jesus said - "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit".

Though the literal language would not be totally clear that the first Spirit is the Holy Spirit but the second spirit is the human spirit, it is the most logical understanding.

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

The HUMAN flesh can give birth to other HUMAN flesh.
The DIVINE SPIRIT Who is God alone can give birth to the human spirit of man making the natural man now "organically" one of God's children with God's divine life implanted into the human spirit.

Rajk999 says this new birth is not related to receiving eternal life. This is absurd. Here he goes -

This is not eternal life, not regeneration, neither is it born of the Spirit.

But in regeneration the human spirit BECOMES divine ZOE life because of Justification, because of righteousness.

The deadened comatose human spirit becomes LIFE.

And if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin the [human] spirit is [divine] life because of righteousness. (Rom. 8:10)

Spontaneously with you receiving Jesus Christ the human spirit becomes the ZOE, divine and eternal life because of righteousness.

Now life must grow and spread and saturate and swallow one up completely. But divine and eternal life is received absolutely concurrently with receiving Jesus Christ, which is facilitated today by receiving the resurrected Christ in His form as the Spirit.

" In HIM was life..." (John 1:4a )
One cannot receive the Lord Jesus and not receive in Him the eternal life.

He IS the divine and eternal life (John 14:6)

" Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the reality, and the life ..." )

This eternal life is not apart from Jesus Christ but is IN Jesus Christ. Therefore to have Christ the Son of God is to HAVE the eternal life.

"And this is the testimony, that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life." (First John 5:11,12)

The false doctrine of Rajk999 is that one can have Jesus Christ but not have the eternal life. He thinks by inventing such a heresy he can produce more obedient disciples of Jesus.

His intention may seem noble. But John wrote to those who received the Son of God that they may KNOW ... that they HAVE eternal life.

"I write these things to you that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe in the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:13)

@Rajk999

Perhaps because of lack of personal experience but an abundance of dogma, Rajk999 dumbs down the New Testament to his naturalistic understanding of things.

The new birth in the Holy Spirit he postpones to a future age.

Why doesn't he READ the Bible? That Holy Spirit is given to men and women today in the church age as a SEAL and FORETASTE of the coming age.

"Who has also SEALED us and given the PLEDGE of the Spirit in our hearts." (2 Cor. 1:22)

Does God WAIT until the coming age to impart to believers His Holy Spirit ? No, He gives the Holy Spirit in this age as a PLEDGE and SEAL unto the next age.

Again, we see this in Ephesians 1:14.

" ... in whom also believing, you were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

Who is the pledge of our inheritance, unto the redemption of the acquired possession the praise of His glory."

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@rajk999 said
Jesus said that the regeneration takes place when He returns.
He has not returned. Therefore nobody is regenerated.
Born of the Spirit means that the person is no longer flesh and blood.
The person is a Spirit being that can move like the wind.

You enjoy elevating yourself beyond what the Bible says.
In due course you will be abased and placed in your rightful position.
Have patience.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Kelly wrote, and it bears repeating.
Amen.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

@sonship said
Kelly wrote, and it bears repeating.
Amen.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Jesus Christ wrote something and it bears repeating. Amen

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matthew 19:27-28 KJV)

But some dont care to listen to Christ. They profess Christ name, ignore His teachings, and fabricate their own. The passage says - The regeneration takes place when Jesus returns

So fools can continue to argue with Christ.

Rajk999.

So then in the church age it is incorrect for First Corinthians 6:19 to teach that the Christian's body is a temple of the Holy Spirit ?

Are you teaching that since no one has YET been born of the Spirit, NO believer's body is in this age "a temple of the Holy Spirit" ?

@sonship said
Rajk999.

So then in the church age it is incorrect for First Corinthians 6:19 to teach that the Christian's body is a temple of the Holy Spirit ?

Are you teaching that since no one has YET been born of the Spirit, NO believer's body is in this age "a temple of the Holy Spirit" ?

Regeneration takes place when Jesus returns. Clearly you do not know what regeneration means.

I have confirmed Matthew 19:28.
I just have not used it as you do to teach against being born again during the church age.

Now I asked you a question.

So then in the church age it is incorrect for First Corinthians 6:19 to teach that the Christian's body is a temple of the Holy Spirit ?

Are you teaching that since no one has YET been born of the Spirit, NO believer's body is in this age "a temple of the Holy Spirit" ?

Answer clearly.

@sonship said
I have confirmed Matthew 19:28.
I just have not used it as you do to teach against being born again during the church age.

Now I asked you a question.

So then in the church age it is incorrect for First Corinthians 6:19 to teach that the Christian's body is a temple of the Holy Spirit ?

Are you teaching that since no one has YET been born of the ...[text shortened]... eliever's body is in this age "a temple of the Holy Spirit" ?

Answer clearly.

What do you mean by this?
I have confirmed Matthew 19:28. I just have not used it as you do to teach against being born again during the church age.

You are ignoring Christ and hypocritically saying that you are not using what Christ says to teach about regeneration? What utter nonsense.

Jesus says regeneration takes place when he returns.
Jesus says someone born of the Spirit can move like the wind.
Paul says this pertaining to the return of Christ and although the word regeneration is not used, it is the process of being born of the Spirit or regeneration. For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Philippians 3:20-21 KJV)

The regenerated Christian has a new body like Christ.
Nobody has that yet.

@rajk999 said
Jesus Christ wrote something and it bears repeating. Amen

[i]Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve throne ...[text shortened]... b]The regeneration takes place when Jesus returns[/b]

So fools can continue to argue with Christ.

Not disputing that the corruptible will put on the incorruptible when He returns, but at our conversation we receive the Holy Spirit in rebirth as the scriptures teaches us without God’s Spirit we don’t belong to Him!

You are confusing two different things as if they were one.

@kellyjay said
Not disputing that the corruptible will put on the incorruptible when He returns, but at our conversation we receive the Holy Spirit in rebirth as the scriptures teaches us without God’s Spirit we don’t belong to Him!

You are confusing two different things as if they were one.

That should of read at our conversion not conversation. (Sorry my bad)

@Rajk999

You are ignoring Christ and hypocritically saying that you are not using what Christ says to teach about regeneration? What utter nonsense.

Just answer yes or no.
Are you saying that because no one yet has been born of the Spirit therefore First Corinthians 6:19 is wrong to say a Christians body is a temple of the Holy Spirit ?

Why can't you answer the question ?

Jesus says regeneration takes place when he returns.

Are you saying Matthew 19:28 proves that no one in the church age prior to the millennium has a body which is "a temple of the Holy Spirit" ?

Yes or No?

And are you saying that those in the church age whose bodies are "a temple of the Holy Spirit " (1 Cor. 1:19) HAVE NOT been "born of the Spirit" ?

Yes or No?

Jesus says someone born of the Spirit can move like the wind.

Does John 3:8 means that no human being before the millennial kingdom has a body which is "a temple of the Holy Spirit" ?

And if today some humans have a body which is "a temple of the Holy Spirit" BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN "born of the Spirit" ?

"Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you ... that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:5a,6)

Are you teaching that some people who have a body that is "a temple of the Holy Spirit" have not YET been "born of the Spirit" ?

Paul says this pertaining to the return of Christ and although the word regeneration is not used, it is the process of being born of the Spirit or regeneration.

Before the second coming of Christ, Christians in the church age have "the firstfruits of the Spirit" (Romans 8:22,23)

"For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails in pain together until now.

And not only so, but we ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan in ourselves, eagerly awaiting sonship, the redemption of our body? (Rom. 8:22,23)

Are you saying that Paul, his audience reading his Romans epistle, and Christians today have "the firstfruits of the Spirit" but have NOT YET been "born of the Spirit" ?

According to this verse BEFORE nature is released from the bondage of corruption in its regeneration, the church age Christians ALREADY have the first fruits of the Spirit awaiting the redemption of our physical body.

Are you teaching that "the redemption of our body" is exactly the being "born of the Spirit" and there is no such birth during the church age ?

Why doesn't Paul say that we who have the firstfruits of the Spirit are awaiting being born of the Spirit?

Why doesn't Paul say that we who have the firstfruits of the Spirit are awaiting to be "born again" ?

Why doesn.'t Paul say the we who have the firstfruits of the Spirit are awaitng to be regenerated?

For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body,

So you are teaching that the Christians who are awaiting the transfiguration of the body do not already have the firstfruits of the Spirit, BECAUSE they have not yet been born of the Spirit ?

that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Philippians 3:20-21 KJV)

So you are teaching that to be "born again" and to be "born of the Spirit" means the glorification of the body in transfiguration exactly ?

Then do you mean the Christians before the regeneration of the second coming have not been born again YET ?

But Peter said the experience of being born again has taken place to the believers reading First Peter -

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has regenerated us unto a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead." (1:3)

"Having been regenerated not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God." (v.23)

And Peter says they are as "newborn babes" (1 Peter 2:2) longing for the milk of the word of God. And you are teaching that they may be "newborn" but they are NOT YET "born of the Spirit" or "born again" ?

The regenerated Christian has a new body like Christ.
Nobody has that yet.

So you are saying that no Christian who has not yet been glorified in their body has yet been "born again" or "regenerated" or "born of the Spirit" ?

So you are teaching that Christians today who have the Holy Spirit as a "pledge" or have been "sealed" by that Holy Spirit and whose bodies are today "a temple of the Holy Spirit" have not yet been born of the Spirit or born again or born from above or born anew or regenerated ?