Schizophrenia and Marijuana

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27 Jul '21 16:09

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31 Jul '21 15:361 edit
@kevcvs57 said
“ To tell you the truth, I do not partake of any of the things you listed.”
That’s not really the point is it?
The question is how many of those things should made illegal?
Should? Carbs are worse for some people than others. It depends on how your body does with the carb load. Some people stay thin with high carb diets, others blow up like a balloon.

Of course how the amount of physical activity comes into play as well. So sugar and fast food is not a legal issue. Perhaps laws against trans fats and other known health issues should be put into place.

Alcohol and tobacco? Those should be outlawed, but the cat is out of the bag on those, and soon will be for marijuana and all drugs in a decade or two.
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31 Jul '21 18:531 edit
@Eladar
Wow, you are SUCH a progressive.
You still believe marijuana is THE gateway drug which just shows how you are well programmed by the propaganda against marijuana which was started in the 1940's by that TRUE WORLD CLASS ASSSWIPE Anslinger BECAUSE they wanted a way to target blacks and JAZZ MUSICIANS, you know how dishonerable Jazz musicians are so get to them, get them arrested for smoking a joint.

THAT is how the present prohibition against marijuana started, remember that really BAD movie Marijuana Madness?
You figure that movie was based on SCIENCE?

Take a CLOSE look at your biases and maybe you will be surprised to see just how programmed you really are.

No, It take it back. You will NEVER understand how you got to be so programmed, the latest when you became a card carrying Trump cultist.
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@eladar said
Should? Carbs are worse for some people than others. It depends on how your body does with the carb load. Some people stay thin with high carb diets, others blow up like a balloon.

Of course how the amount of physical activity comes into play as well. So sugar and fast food is not a legal issue. Perhaps laws against trans fats and other known health issues should be put in ...[text shortened]... the cat is out of the bag on those, and soon will be for marijuana and all drugs in a decade or two.
Clearly your claiming that marijuana is bad for some people it’s certainly never been bad for me and it it helps with a lot of the aches and pains that come with old age which allows me to avoid the toxic painkillers being pumped out by big pharma and pushed by the medical establishment.
Tobacco and alcohol are far worse than moderate marijuana use.
As for your take on processed carbs and sugars that have been rammed into our diets by 7 or 8 big players, well, keep drinking the kool-Aid.
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@eladar said
Personally, I think that we should outlaw things that when used lead to mental illness.

I can see why you would not mind.
https://alcoholthinkagain.com.au/alcohol-your-health/alcohol-and-mental-health/

alcohol is a depressant drug 1 that can cause anxiety and increase stress. Alcohol can negatively affect thoughts, feelings and actions, and contribute to the development of, or worsen, existing mental health issues over time.
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@athousandyoung said
https://alcoholthinkagain.com.au/alcohol-your-health/alcohol-and-mental-health/

alcohol is a depressant drug 1 that can cause anxiety and increase stress. Alcohol can negatively affect thoughts, feelings and actions, and contribute to the development of, or worsen, existing mental health issues over time.
Alcohol should be outlawed, as should tobacco. That could not happen. We could stop marijuana.
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@kevcvs57 said
Clearly your claiming that marijuana is bad for some people it’s certainly never been bad for me and it it helps with a lot of the aches and pains that come with old age which allows me to avoid the toxic painkillers being pumped out by big pharma and pushed by the medical establishment.
Tobacco and alcohol are far worse than moderate marijuana use.
As for your tak ...[text shortened]... sugars that have been rammed into our diets by 7 or 8 big players, well, keep drinking the kool-Aid.
There in lies the problem Kev. If you look closely at the research of Prof Robin Murray it seems pretty clear that cannabis is harmless for the majority of people like you describe and yet it is seriously harmful for a minority. It seems to have a lot to do with the levels of a co-methyltransferase enzyme in the brain which follows mendelian inheritance. So only those with two recessive genes for the enzyme appear to be at risk. Whilst cannabis users as a group have a ten fold increase in psychotic illness compared to controls it is all accounted for by a small proportion of the group who are at serious risk whilst the vast majority suffer no adverse consequences.

Problem is you get a lot of urban myths as a result. Because public health took a "killer weed" position when in fact the majority of users knew they were fine despite using for years, public health got itself dismissed as a source of unreliable information, which is a shame. If people were just presented with the evidence, instead of being patronised, it would be easy for them to take good advice i.e. if you have a family history of psychosis or people reacting badly to substance abuse stay clear.

This isn't just about revealing a predisposition either. For those whose brains can't handle it, there is a massive increase in prevalence. It has also been shown that the original view that drug induced psychosis was something different to severe and enduring psychotic illness was wrong. There is cross over with the sometimes lifelong psychotic illness persisting after the substance abuse has stopped.
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For me the problem lies in social problems linked to drugs. As long as the druggies are left their own to take care of themselves and the children they produce I would have no problem with legal drug use.

But seeing as the government needs to take kids into custody because their parents are too high to be responsible adults, I do have an issue with it.
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@eladar said
@Relentless-Red

For me the problem lies in social problems linked to drugs. As long as the druggies are left their own to take care of themselves and the children they produce I would have no problem with legal drug use.

But seeing as the government needs to take kids into custody because their parents are too high to be responsible adults, I do have an issue with it.
Don't know the evidence as to whether substance abuse is over represented in adults whose children are taken into care by comparison to the general population. It's an interesting question. You would also need to know if it was associated with other factors that were the problem or whether it was the problem per se.
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@relentless-red said
Don't know the evidence as to whether substance abuse is over represented in adults whose children are taken into care by comparison to the general population. It's an interesting question. You would also need to know if it was associated with other factors that were the problem or whether it was the problem per se.
As I said, as long as kids get to suffer for their parents' drug abuse, I have no problem with society making drug use legal.
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15 Aug '21 22:41
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What do kids suffer from parents marijuana use? Second hand smoke high interfering with their schoolwork? Not sure what your complaint is.
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@sonhouse said
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What do kids suffer from parents marijuana use? Second hand smoke high interfering with their schoolwork? Not sure what your complaint is.
Many kids of druggies end up in state custody or being raised by grandparents.

Sex drugs and rock and roll is not a saying for nothing. Kids are s result of that sex induced sex. Marijuana is not the only drug but it is in the mix.

But as long as drug issues is not the reason kids are taken from parents, then I have no issues with drugs.

If society gets to pay for the poor choices of others, then drugs need to remain illegal. It is an issue of morality.
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15 Aug '21 23:02
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I gather therefore that you pronouncing yourself to be a socialist, you want BIG government, controlling what women are allowed to do with reproduction rights or stopping marijuana use even though it has been used for LITERALLY thousands of years with not much to see negative coming out of all that use.

So the bottom line for you is not a real interest in what folks are going through medically or socially, you are at core, a CONTROL freak.

You want every aspect of humans under the thumb of a government and that preferably with you in charge.
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@sonhouse said
@Eladar
I gather therefore that you pronouncing yourself to be a socialist, you want BIG government, controlling what women are allowed to do with reproduction rights or stopping marijuana use even though it has been used for LITERALLY thousands of years with not much to see negative coming out of all that use.

So the bottom line for you is not a real interest in what fo ...[text shortened]... want every aspect of humans under the thumb of a government and that preferably with you in charge.
Stick to the subject, you alzheimers is showing.

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