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  1. Zugzwang
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    18 Nov '20 08:40
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/a-game-changing-moment-for-chess/vi-BB1b6CPd

    Video of Garry Kasparov and Judit Polgar being interviewed by Christiane Amanpour (who knows nothing about chess).
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    18 Nov '20 12:11
    @cheesemaster said
    Actually TV is censored now.
    Have you heard of "cancel culture"?
    If people get offended by a TV show they scream and yell until it gets cancelled.
    We have lost a lot of good shows because of sensitive liberals.
    We have lost some good sports broadcasters too.
    If it doesn't fit into the liberal agenda then it is being censored.
    I disagree with any censorship but it is happening now.
    I was with you until you made it political.
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    18 Nov '20 14:12
    Going off the subject ,all t.v in the U.K is censored now whether people complain about it or not mainly because of political correctness and what the censors think MIGHT offend somebody.
    I suspect it's the same in the U.S
    One example:-
    I saw the film Paper moon on t.v many years ago.
    It was recently shown on one of the old programme channels(TCM or U.K gold or something)
    In the original Tatum O Neal said "Daddy I need to go to the shithouse"
    In the re - shown version the word "shithouse" was edited out.
    A lot of the old films which would be considered politically incorrect these days simply don't get shown anymore.
    Mary Whitehouse has her way in today's society
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    Went on bbc sport page this morning and there was an article about the rugby World Cup draw, strange I thought because in the first line it said Ireland and Scotland hadn’t qualified yet and I had read something not that long ago about the seedings being used being set from the end of last year due to the virus and cancelled games.

    Turns out it was the woman’s rugby World Cup and that they had dropped the name woman’s to make it more equal. I mean,I’m all for equality but having both tournaments have the same name is just confusing and dumb. If they want to show they they’re changing with the times or whatever can it thd mens or woman’s World Cup, not the same name.

    While I’m on my rant, BBC radio one said they were going to remove the world faggot from the fairytale in New York some and change it to something else because it might offend the snowflake younger viewers.

    The entire world has gone to shyt imo.
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    @trev33 said
    Went on bbc sport page this morning and there was an article about the rugby World Cup draw, strange I thought because in the first line it said Ireland and Scotland hadn’t qualified yet and I had read something not that long ago about the seedings being used being set from the end of last year due to the virus and cancelled games.

    Turns out it was the woman’s rugby World ...[text shortened]... se because it might offend the snowflake younger viewers.

    The entire world has gone to shyt imo.
    They could replace it with "you cheap lousy maggot" without really changing the song. Although they'll have a job getting Kirsty MacColl to record a new version for them.
  6. Zugzwang
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    21 Nov '20 12:34
    @mchill said
    I read this book no less than 20 times, and now it's coming to life on Netflix.

    I'm in!! 😀

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDrieqwSdgI
    As I understand it, Walter Tevis wished to create Beth Harmon as a female Bobby Fischer.
    I don't think that works because chess and, more importantly, American society
    in that period (1958-1967) was far from gender-neutral or non-sexist.
    Young Beth and young Bobby faced very different social realities.

    If Mozart's sister (also a musician) had his genius, then would she have been equally successful?
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  8. Zugzwang
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    Magnus Carlsen has watched it.

    "I just found the whole thing a little too unrealistic. I just couldn't quite buy that
    after being six years without playing a tournament game in an orphanage and
    you would then be one of the best players in a few years.

    It’s a good story but to me, I found it a little too unrealistic.
    But in general, having said all that, it was extremely enjoyable."
    --Magnus Carlsen

    I think that Magnus Carlsen was being diplomatic (not wishing to offend fans of
    the show) when he said that it was 'a little too unrealistic'.

    Magnus Carlsen knows it's more than just 'a little too unrealistic'.
    I know that. But the average viewer probably does not know that.
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    @congruent said
    Chess is not about taking green pills and skipping school. 🙁
    Bobby Fischer dropped out of high school to play chess.

    Magnus Carlsen famously got drunk during his "mini-bar gambit", crushed his opponents and said "I felt like a god".
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    @cheesemaster said
    I got a chuckle about an alcoholic and drug using female being the best player 😄
    http://billwall.phpwebhosting.com/articles/vices_and_chess.htm#:~:text=Ratmir%20Kholmov%20(1925%2D2006),%2DSwiss%20Grandmaster%20(1956).

    Above is a list of grandmasters who were alcoholics; also, see my previous post about Magnus. Judit Polgar, female, defeated some of the greatest chess players of all time, including Kasparov and Karpov.
  11. Zugzwang
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    @vivify said
    http://billwall.phpwebhosting.com/articles/vices_and_chess.htm#:~:text=Ratmir%20Kholmov%20(1925%2D2006),%2DSwiss%20Grandmaster%20(1956).

    Above is a list of grandmasters who were alcoholics; also, see my previous post about Magnus. Judit Polgar, female, defeated some of the greatest chess players of all time, including Kasparov and Karpov.
    Vivify's disingenuous and very misleading about his list of 'alcoholics'.
    Only a rather small minority of people on that list were alcoholics.
    The most common 'vice' by far was smoking (cigarettes, cigars, or pipes).

    "Here are some vices and bad habits that some chess players have had, such as drinking,
    smoking, gambling, or doing drugs. I don’t think any of it enhanced their chess-playing ability."
    --Bill Wall

    Bill Wall most often cites players for smoking or having smoked.

    "Viktor Korchnoi (1931-2016) was a Russian-Swiss Grandmaster (1956). He was a cigarette smoker.

    Vladimir Kramnik (1975- ) is a Russian Grandmaster (1992) and former world
    champion (2000-2007) who defeated Garry Kasparov in 2000 in the Brain Games
    World Championship in London. He was a cigarette smoker but quit in 2000."

    Quickly from memory, I would say that only two world champions, Alekhine and Tal,
    were known as heavy drinkers. Tal was in chronic pain from health problems,, and
    he felt that drinking helped reduce that pain.
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    @duchess64 said
    Vivify's disingenuous and very misleading
    You were caught lying about another poster's statements on a different thread. You're in no position to criticize anyone.

    "Alekhine and Tal, were known as heavy drinkers".

    That was my main point, that there have been very successful grandmasters who were drinkers. So one shouldn't be so easily dismissive of the character from "Queens Gambit" simply because a drinking problem was shown.
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    It wasn't her drinking that made her ability unrealistic.

    It was the tranquilizer pills.
    I have taken tranqs and playing chess is out of the question.

    I loved the show actually.
    I just finished it yesterday and will watch it again.

    A better ending would be she loses to Borgov at the end because of her addiction.
  14. Standard membervivify
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    25 Nov '20 23:35
    I didn't mind that it wasn't realistic. It is a movie. Most martial arts films aren't realistic, neither are most sports films, war films, etc. It was well done enough to earn suspension of disbelief.
  15. Zugzwang
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    @vivify said
    You were caught lying about another poster's statements on a different thread. You're in no position to criticize anyone.

    "Alekhine and Tal, were known as heavy drinkers".

    That was my main point, that there have been very successful grandmasters who were drinkers. So one shouldn't be so easily dismissive of the character from "Queens Gambit" simply because a drinking problem was shown.
    As usual, Vivify hurls insults and lies in attempting to divert attention from his blatant errors or lies.

    "Above is a list of grandmasters who were alcoholics …"
    --Vivify

    Extremely disingenuous and misleading (at best).
    Only a small minority of the players (some of whom were not GMs) were described as 'alcoholics'.

    Bill Wall primarily cited players for smoking (cigarettes, cigars, or pipes).
    Bill Wall even cited Kramnik, even though he conceded that Kramnik quit smoking 20 years ago.

    Driving while intoxicated (by alcohol) is a crime; driving while smoking is not.

    Vivify has done about the equivalent of claiming that a list of men is a list of rapists,
    when, in fact, the list consists nearly all of burglars, with only a few rapists.

    "That was my main point, that there have been very successful grandmasters who were drinkers."
    --Vivify

    Disingenuous (at best). Vivify falsely claimed that many grandmasters were alcoholics.

    When Alekhine realized that his drinking may have seriously contributed to his
    losing a world championship to Euwe, Alekhine reportedly quit drinking alcohol
    as he prepared for the rematch, which he won.

    As I already have explained, Tal was cursed with a life of chronic pain from health problems.
    Like many people suffering from chronic pain, Tal sought solace in drinking.
    His friends wondered how much more a healthy sober Tal could have achieved.
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