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  1. Zugzwang
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    https://www.wired.com/story/bird-feed-seller-beat-chess-master-online-harassment/

    "A Bird-Feed Seller Beat a Chess Master Online. Then It Got Ugly
    Twitch and YouTube chess star Levy Rozman has faced over a week
    of sustained harassment after calling out an alleged c***ter."

    "On March 2, Levy Rozman, in a pink sweater and round glasses, was
    streaming his Chess.com matches to 12,000 viewers over Twitch.
    “All right, this looks like a c****er,” he said without pause, as he
    clicked on the pigeon icon of his opponent, Dewa_Kipas.
    Rozman, an international chess master, scrolled through the profile,
    disbelieving. His opponent had climbed nearly a thousand points
    in the span of a month, ranking 2,300 to Rozman’s 2,431. And his profile
    didn’t include the sort of title—“FIDE master,” “national master”—
    that the ranking implied. In fact, Rozman would later discover,
    Dewa_Kipas, or “fan god,” was a bird-feed seller in Indonesia."

    "Ali Akbar, a 24-year-old whose Facebook banner is a sprawl of pink-haired
    shoujo manga, had written a post about Rozman from his home in
    Bandung, Indonesia, to his 3,500 followers. According to Akbar,
    Dewa_Kipas was a 60-year-old retired tournament player named
    Dadang Subur who had only recently become addicted to Chess.com.
    Also, he wrote, Subur was his dad. And he most certainly did beat chess master Rozman."

    "Akbar recorded a 20-minute video with his father in which Subur claims
    he beat Shredder, a commercial chess engine, on a grandmaster-level
    setting four times in a row. They buckled down."

    Dadang Subur apparently boasted that he's about an IM in strength.
    His boast was absurdly wrong, as further evidence confirmed.

    https://www.chess.com/news/view/most-watched-chess-stream-in-history-dewa-kipas

    "C***ting Controversy Results In Most-Watched Chess Stream In History"

    "A friendly chess match held on Monday in Indonesia, which was streamed on YouTube,
    attracted a record-shattering number of over a million concurrent viewers.
    The match was played between IM Irene Sukandar and Dadang Subur, an amateur
    player who had been accused of c***ting in early March by IM Levy Rozman on Twitch."
  2. Zugzwang
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    07 Apr '21 12:41
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.wired.com/story/bird-feed-seller-beat-chess-master-online-harassment/

    "A Bird-Feed Seller Beat a Chess Master Online. Then It Got Ugly
    Twitch and YouTube chess star Levy Rozman has faced over a week
    of sustained harassment after calling out an alleged c***ter."

    "On March 2, Levy Rozman, in a pink sweater and round glasses, was
    streaming his Chess.com ma ...[text shortened]... r, an amateur
    player who had been accused of c***ting in early March by IM Levy Rozman on Twitch."
    RHP absurdly insists on censoring discussion of c*** in chess even outside RHP.
  3. Zugzwang
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  4. Zugzwang
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    07 Apr '21 12:57
    "That Subur accepted to play the match was surprising. He had declined earlier
    challenges where he would have faced GM Susanto Megaranto or IM Anjas Novita.
    In the morning before the podcast, he had stated in a national newspaper that he
    had stopped playing and wouldn't accept any other challenges."

    "Monday's match between Sukandar and Subur involved serious money.
    The Indonesian technology and e-commerce company Tokopedia appeared to be
    the main sponsor, providing the equivalent of $10,500 that was then doubled by
    Indra Kesuma, an Indonesian businessman and YouTuber.
    As it turned out, Subur could not repeat the high level of play as he had shown online.
    He lost 3-0 to Sukandar, making fairly basic mistakes.

    Chess.com estimated his performance in these three match games at an Elo of 1127.
    His online performance rating exceeded 3000 Elo, the highest performance
    Chess.com's Fair Play system calculates for human games. Despite the poor
    showing, he still made roughly $7,000 while Sukandar earned about $14,000."

    Dadung Subur made blatant tactical blunders in every game.
    Even at his 'best', he seemed no better than an ordinary club player.
  5. Standard memberMellow
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    07 Apr '21 13:01
    I am a Candidate Master how do I get my title. This is my first time playing online chess
  6. Standard membermchill
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    07 Apr '21 13:14
    @duchess64 said
    "That Subur accepted to play the match was surprising. He had declined earlier
    challenges where he would have faced GM Susanto Megaranto or IM Anjas Novita.
    In the morning before the podcast, he had stated in a national newspaper that he
    had stopped playing and wouldn't accept any other challenges."

    "Monday's match between Sukandar and Subur involved serious money. ...[text shortened]... tical blunders in every game.
    Even at his 'best', he seemed no better than an ordinary club player.
    Chess.com estimated his performance in these three match games at an Elo of 1127.
    His online performance rating exceeded 3000 Elo, the highest performance
    Chess.com's Fair Play system calculates for human games. Despite the poor
    showing, he still made roughly $7,000 while Sukandar earned about $14,000."


    Money. prestige, and power. They make people do things they wouldn't normally do.
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  8. Zugzwang
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    @mchill said
    Chess.com estimated his performance in these three match games at an Elo of 1127.
    His online performance rating exceeded 3000 Elo, the highest performance
    Chess.com's Fair Play system calculates for human games. Despite the poor
    showing, he still made roughly $7,000 while Sukandar earned about $14,000."


    Money. prestige, and power. They make people do things they wouldn't normally do.
    RHP keeps censoring my posts in which its banned c-word appears.

    Do some players evidently use engines at RHP because they expect 'money, prestige, and power'?
  9. SubscriberPonderable
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    @duchess64 said
    RHP keeps censoring my posts in which its banned c-word appears.

    Do some players evidently use engines at RHP because they expect 'money, prestige, and power'?
    In my opinion: yes. The prestige to be a top rated player on a chess website might seem trivial, but for some it is more recognition than they can get elsewhere.

    And the power to disrupt is a pet for some players (and many posters)
  10. Zugzwang
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    @ponderable said
    In my opinion: yes. The prestige to be a top rated player on a chess website might seem trivial, but for some it is more recognition than they can get elsewhere.

    And the power to disrupt is a pet for some players (and many posters)
    In real life, I have played everyone ranging from beginners to GMs, so I think
    that I am better qualified than most players to assess chess strength.

    At one internet chess server, I met a player who described herself as an Englishwoman
    in her 70s or 80s, who played extremely sharp complicated variations in the Sicilian,
    instantly making theoretical moves deep into the opening. She had an astonishing
    eye for tactical combinations.

    I knew that there's no real Englishwoman of her age who could play like that unassisted.
    I had no reason to believe that she was lying about her identity (why not pretend
    to be a much younger woman or man?), so she was lying about not using an engine.

    And if she could still play that well at her claimed age, how much better did she allegedly play when was younger?
    When I asked her about her earlier chess performances, she made up something vague.
    According to her, England would have had a different women's champion, but she
    was too busy with housework (or whatever) ever to take an interest in becoming one.
  11. e4
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    07 Apr '21 17:023 edits
    You have to be careful about calling people cheats only.

    'He Got Death Threats For Calling Out A Chess Cheater.'

    YouTube


    Regarding cheats here. No money or anything else involved so why do they bother..
    These days I only play in the low rated hardcore events, good clean fun all round.
    I played above my grade in one and got hammered, Tournament 36646 but it was me going
    sac happy No silicon apparent, just a bunch of good players who took my pieces and defended well.

    I know from the blog (just look at the games I select) that computer assistance is very low.

    However do look out for people offering lessons based on their high RHP rating.
    Get the real name from them before you part with any money.
  12. Subscribervenda
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    08 Apr '21 12:47
    I knew that there's no real Englishwoman of her age who could play like that unassisted - no you didn't. You're making an assumption.If a reasonably good player spends several hours,days or even weeks looking at a position could he/she not come up with the best move after intensive study?
    If it was a blitz game that is different
    I had no reason to believe that she was lying about her identity (why not pretend
    to be a much younger woman or man?), so she was lying about not using an engine.
    That statement is not logical.It's akin to saying all the players I have beaten had glasses,whereas all the games I have lost were against people with brown hair so all good chess players must have brown hair.
  13. Zugzwang
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    @venda said
    I knew that there's no real Englishwoman of her age who could play like that unassisted - no you didn't. You're making an assumption.If a reasonably good player spends several hours,days or even weeks looking at a position could he/she not come up with the best move after intensive study?
    If it was a blitz game that is different
    I had no reason to believe that she was lying ...[text shortened]... ames I have lost were against people with brown hair so all good chess players must have brown hair.
    I must conclude that Venda (rated 1452 RHP) is much too ignorant to know what he's talking about.
    Perhaps, waving an English flag, he's influenced by that player's claimed nationality.

    Look, her game history was available at the website. Contrary to Venda's ignorant
    presumption, I was not limited to forming an assessment by watching only one game.

    Based upon her claims, she was born before (most likely well before) the Second World War.
    Even at her claimed elderly age, she had an extraordinarily high rating at the website.
    Looking through her game history, I would estimate that she's at 2200+ FIDE.
    She might be able to qualify now for England's women's Olympiad team.
    Yet she claimed to never have been interested in OTB chess.

    Now look at the rating list of top English women players. There's no one even close to that.
    I can find one player who was born in 1965 and is rated 2250 FIDE.
    I can find another player who was born in 1944 and is rated 1779 FIDE.
    England has never produced a Nona Gaprindashvili.

    If Venda's gullible enough to believe that this player was really who she claimed,
    then why would he not believe that the Indonesian amateur really beat an IM?
  14. Subscribervenda
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    @Duchess64
    "Yet she claimed to never have been interested in OTB chess."
    Exactly.You cannot compare over the board with correspondence play.
    Anyone is allowed to study books,or even games published on the internet and make move decisions based on that.That is not cheating.
    You have missed all my points and contrived to insult me in the process.
    I don't even know who you are talking about so what has being English got to do with anything.
    Forget it.Believe what you want.If you can't have a debate without being insulting I don't wish to continue the discussion further.
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    she's a chess snob
    and she is awesome!
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