Thoughts on this Maria Carey Song?

@chessturd said
Actually you are wrong.
Before the 1990's your music career was based on talent. Plenty of ugly singers back then.
Now you have to be attractive to get famous. Talent comes second.
Maybe not even second 🤔

Really?

What singers did you think were ugly?

-VR

@very-rusty said
Really?

What singers did you think were ugly?

-VR

Barbara Streisand
Bette Midler
K.D. Lang
Etc etc

@chessturd said
Barbara Streisand
Bette Midler
K.D. Lang
Etc etc

They had personality and great talent.

The dudes were even worse!

@torunn said
They had personality and great talent.

Yes back when that's all it took.
Now music companies go by the girls looks. Talent comes second.

@chessturd said
Yes back when that's all it took.
Now music companies go by the girls looks. Talent comes second.

Things change and we too - humour especially.

@chessturd said
Yes back when that's all it took.
Now music companies go by the girls looks. Talent comes second.

That's to appeal to the many Rustys out there.

@vivify said
[youtube Maria Carey]2sap-GTtCiU[/youtube]

What do you think of this new pop song from Mariah? I love it. She also due to receive an icon award from Billboard.

And yeah: I know there's a Culture forum but that gets 3 and half posts a year.

I couldn’t be bothered to listen more than 30 secs sorry.

@torunn said
It is the simplified form of music I don't understand - it doesn't go any further than my ears, I don't get the musical message.

Mariah started out her career at the end of the 80's singing ballads over pretty melodies. That stopped being in fashion by around the mid-nineties, where people preferred simpler, catchier songs over sweeping, orchestral songs.

Even in hip-hop, something despised by older folk, there has been at least a decades-long lament regarding the over-simplified lyrics and song structures. Nas, considered one of the top 4 or 5 rappers of all time, released a song titled "Hip Hop is Dead". And this was around 2008. This was to no avail, since the derisively-titled genre of "Mumble Rap" has now become popular, characterized by rappers singing lazily delivered nonsensical music.

Further more, Rock & Roll is completely dead. It has no presence in mainstream music. A shocking thought given how utterly dominant the genre was for most of the 20th century.

I guess young people, for whatever reason, just like simple tunes, and it's killing music. But I do like the song in the OP due to that infectious beat and Maria's delivery. Near the end, she does her famous "whistle register" to cap it all off.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
That's to appeal to the many Rustys out there.

I never mentioned anything one way or the other about her singing just that she was HOT looking. For all you know, I may enjoy her singing also! I'll keep that to myself, if that is OK with you....if it isn't too bad!!! 😛

You are taking what I said out of context!

-VR

@drewnogal said
I couldn’t be bothered to listen more than 30 secs sorry.

Same here

@chessturd said
Barbara Streisand
Bette Midler
K.D. Lang
Etc etc

All great singers, I wouldn't say any of them could be called ugly. I guess like everything else it is all in the eyes of the beholder. 😉

-VR

@vivify said
Mariah started out her career at the end of the 80's singing ballads over pretty melodies. That stopped being in fashion by around the mid-nineties, where people preferred simpler, catchier songs over sweeping, orchestral songs.

Even in hip-hop, something despised by older folk, there has been at least a decades-long lament regarding the over-simplified lyrics and song s ...[text shortened]... beat and Maria's delivery. Near the end, she does her famous "whistle register" to cap it all off.

You're right.. lyrics ain't what they used to be.

I ain't even mad, no not like before
Off with your head, now slither out the door
Snakes in the grass it's time to cut the lawn
Answers the hands a.k.a I cut you off
No
You ain't gonna lie to my face no more
Hit me with "I'm sorry" but I'm sorry, no
Na na na na na na na na na na
No
Get me Ed Shapiro on the phone, case closed (chuck it)
You shoulda' known that it's bigger than you
You'll never know what I already knew
After everything I already been through
I can't waste no time, pay no atention to you
I said no
No no no, a no no
No no, that's a no no
No no, I said no no
No no
You came so close
You just don't know
Irregardless of what transpired
It ain't even worthy of a slick reply
Even if I was the last woman alive
I would…

Here she is before hip hop:

YouTube

@handyandy said
You're right.. lyrics ain't what they used to be.

I ain't even mad, no not like before
Off with your head, now slither out the door
Snakes in the grass it's time to cut the lawn
Answers the hands a.k.a I cut you off
No
You ain't gonna lie to my face no more
Hit me with "I'm sorry" but I'm sorry, no
Na na na na na na na na na na
No
Get me Ed Shapiro on the pho ...[text shortened]... transpired
It ain't even worthy of a slick reply
Even if I was the last woman alive
I would…

Compared to the genius that was David Bowie
Ha ha ha, hee hee hee
"I'm a laughing gnome and you don't catch me"
Ha ha ha, hee hee hee
"I'm a laughing gnome and you can't catch me"
Said the laughing gnome