The Russian soldiers invaded their country and are there to kill the Ukrainians and destroy their entire country. Why exactly should anyone care if the Ukrainians torture the Russian soldiers that they capture?
@quackquacksaid The Russian soldiers invaded their country and are there to kill the Ukrainians and destroy their entire country. Why exactly should anyone care if the Ukrainians torture the Russian soldiers that they capture?
Soldiers are just people following orders. It's Putin and the Russian government that are the real criminals. Imagine if Afghanistan tortured American soldiers: would you be okay with that?
@vivifysaid Soldiers are just people following orders. It's Putin and the Russian government that are the real criminals. Imagine if Afghanistan tortured American soldiers: would you be okay with that?
Your question is only a parallel if you believe American soldiers in Afghanistan are/were there to destroy a legitimate government, kill their citizens and destroy their way of life. I don't even see Russia even pretend that they are protecting themselves from terrorist or anything which if believed would justify their invasion.
@quackquacksaid Your question is only a parallel if you believe American soldiers in Afghanistan are/were there to destroy a legitimate government, kill their citizens and destroy their way of life. I don't even see Russia even pretend that they are protecting themselves from terrorist or anything which if believed would justify their invasion.
Again, soldiers are just pawns in a war. Russia is a government known for killing or jailing dissidents; refusal to follow commands as a Russian soldier puts their own lives in danger. You still agree they should be tortured?
This is not a defense of Russia; as the article in the OP points out, Russian soldiers were accused of rape. Those specific Russians should be tried and punished. But there's no excuse for torture.
@vivifysaid Again, soldiers are just pawns in a war. Russia is a government known for killing or jailing dissidents; refusal to follow commands as a Russian soldier puts their own lives in danger. You still agree they should be tortured?
This is not a defense of Russia; as the article in the OP points out, Russian soldiers were accused of rape. Those specific Russians should be tr ...[text shortened]... dering or sabotaging vehicles rather than fighting[/b]
Soldiers are human beings. Remember that.
Once a country (Russia) hires peoples (soldiers) to kill others (Ukrainians), I expect the target (Ukrainians) to respond in any means necessary and to inflict damage back in every possible manner. Torturing people who are hired to kill you doesn't bother or surprise me one bit. I honestly am surprised when people think countries who are literally trying to destroy and kill each other will or should obey rules.
@quackquacksaid Your question is only a parallel if you believe American soldiers in Afghanistan are/were there to destroy a legitimate government, kill their citizens and destroy their way of life.
Countless civilians were killed in Afghanistan by the U.S. military, including women and children.
Would you have supported the torture of any captured American soldiers?
@vivify Well then, show us the towns completely bombed out like in the south of Ukraine, or bombing of maternity hospitals or schools with children inside, deliberate murder of THOUSANDS of civilians there. I think there is no comparison to the barbarism by the Russians on Ukranian civilians.
@sonhousesaid I think there is no comparison to the barbarism by the Russians on Ukranian civilians.
So far, 3,000 Ukrainian civilians have died. 50,000 civilians were killed in Afghanistan.
But making this into a contest of which invaded nation suffered more brutality is completely irrelevant. Civilians, including women and children, were brutality killed by U.S. drone strikes, repeatedly. How many deaths of innocent people are needed before U.S. soldiers are worthy of torture?
@quackquacksaid Your question is only a parallel if you believe American soldiers in Afghanistan are/were there to destroy a legitimate government, kill their citizens and destroy their way of life. I don't even see Russia even pretend that they are protecting themselves from terrorist or anything which if believed would justify their invasion.
@vivifysaid Countless civilians were killed in Afghanistan by the U.S. military, including women and children.
Would you have supported the torture of any captured American soldiers?
You have a silly idea of a war. Russia is killing Ukrainians, destroying everything in their country, forcing millions to flee the country. I think any response is justified. I would have no problem if they tortured Russia preschoolers and I certainly have no problem if they torture the agents of this destruction. Your idea that Ukranian have to respond politely while being invaded and killed is a joke.
@quackquacksaid You have a silly idea of a war. Russia is killing Ukrainians, destroying everything in their country, forcing millions to flee the country. I think any response is justified. I would have no problem if they tortured Russia preschoolers and I certainly have no problem if they torture the agents of this destruction. Your idea that Ukranian have to respond politely while being invaded and killed is a joke.
This may be the third time you've ran from a simple question, and I'm predicting a fourth.
After thousands of civilians, women and children were brutality killed by the invading U.S. military, should any American soldiers have been tortured?
@vivifysaid So far, 3,000 Ukrainian civilians have died. 50,000 civilians were killed in Afghanistan.
But making this into a contest of which invaded nation suffered more brutality is completely irrelevant. Civilians, including women and children, were brutality killed by U.S. drone strikes, repeatedly. How many deaths of innocent people are needed before U.S. soldiers are worthy of torture?
I get your point and it’s a good one but this war is only 3 months old whilst the US led NATO war in Afghanistan took 20 years to create that horrendous figure.
It’s also very obvious by now that the Kremlin is specifically targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure along with strategic military targets just like Chechnya and Syria. It’s their go to game plan.
@vivifysaid Countless civilians were killed in Afghanistan by the U.S. military, including women and children.
Would you have supported the torture of any captured American soldiers?
I believe the US goal in Afghanistan is completely different than Russia's goal in the Ukraine. Thus the justified response is completely different. But if you think the United States is in Afghanistan simply to kill, displace and take over a legitimate country (which I don't) then any response is justified.
10 May '22 19:07
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