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    @shavixmir said
    Do you look at facts?
    Did the US withhold money from the Ukraine.
    Yes. Yes it did.

    Did trump ask the Ukraine to investigate his political opponent.
    Yes. Yes he did

    Did you read the transcript?
    Was the telephone call hushed up / filed differently?
    Does what the whistleblowers claim match the above?

    Did you read that the Ukrainian president will get an invite t ...[text shortened]... what he’s doing.

    Just because I jay-walked yesterday, doesn’t mean trump shouldn’t face justice.
    Did Trump get something in return for temporarily withholding money from the Ukraine? If not, did he withhold the money permanently?

    Where is the "this for that"?

    Asking for an investigation is not a crime just because it is a possible political opponent. HRC had Fusion GPS investigate Trump and Steele created the dossier and gave it to MI6 and the FBI to influence the investigation into Russian collusion. According to Shokin's sworn statement Biden got him fired to keep him from investigating Burisma holdings and Hunter Biden. Has Biden called Shokin a liar?

    https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement?fbclid=IwAR2Hkimgy-F5_HUHS0H2J4hBWhwAgxAMAtkr7S5D3SFGQQdESvmV1-frwPk#download

    There was DNC collusion and it was proven.

    https://off-guardian.org/2019/04/14/ukraine-admitted-to-interfering-in-the-2016-us-election-on-clintons-side/
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    @metal-brain said
    Because you think fair elections are in the interest of the regime. You are wrong. DNC collusion has been proved. That is a conspiracy fact, not a theory.

    Everybody knows the Brits go to war with us on our side almost always. All to protect the petro dollar instead of competing with the British pound to buy oil. Did the BBC report on Scott Ritter saying there were not WMDs in Iraq?
    Still not making sense though are you. Your saying we would collude with the US regime on propaganda but in this case you have us acting against a US regime.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Still not making sense though are you. Your saying we would collude with the US regime on propaganda but in this case you have us acting against a US regime.
    No, it is you that are not making sense. What US regime and who is us?
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    @metal-brain said
    No, it is you that are not making sense. What US regime and who is us?
    Trump is the present US regime you halfwit but you have Britain supporting his political enemies whilst claiming we are well known for supporting US regimes (which we are) but the central plank of your conspiracy theory is diametrically opposed to your conspiracy theory.
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    @metal-brain said
    Did Trump get something in return for temporarily withholding money from the Ukraine? If not, did he withhold the money permanently?

    Where is the "this for that"?

    Asking for an investigation is not a crime just because it is a possible political opponent. HRC had Fusion GPS investigate Trump and Steele created the dossier and gave it to MI6 and the FBI to influence ...[text shortened]... ff-guardian.org/2019/04/14/ukraine-admitted-to-interfering-in-the-2016-us-election-on-clintons-side/
    Yes it is a bloody crime.
    Asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent is a bloody crime.

    On what fuking planet do you reside?

    As for the rest: whatever. There’s something disturbingly wrong with you. The only things you believe are conspiracy sites.
    It’s like discussing the planet with flat earthers. It’s like talking with someone in a psychosis.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Trump is the present US regime you halfwit but you have Britain supporting his political enemies whilst claiming we are well known for supporting US regimes (which we are) but the central plank of your conspiracy theory is diametrically opposed to your conspiracy theory.
    "but you have Britain supporting his political enemies"

    I never said that. Who are you talking about?
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    @shavixmir said
    Yes it is a bloody crime.
    Asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent is a bloody crime.

    On what fuking planet do you reside?

    As for the rest: whatever. There’s something disturbingly wrong with you. The only things you believe are conspiracy sites.
    It’s like discussing the planet with flat earthers. It’s like talking with someone in a psychosis.
    No, it isn't.
    What if one of your political opponents is corrupt and there is probably cause to look into it? But you cannot ask for an investigation because a precedent was set with Trump.

    If your opponent is a corrupt creep would you want to be gagged even if you were sure he had ties to the Russian mob? As POTUS would you be obligated to ask for an investigation?

    Democrats are rigging the impeachment process to limit the investigation to protect the corrupt already. These include not having a vote for an impeachment inquiry, not giving the Republicans subpoena power, not having Trump lawyers at hearings to question witnesses, and not disclosing the witnesses against him. This lack of due process is creating a kangaroo court process +by Dems. Why? One reason, they do not want Trump's defense to be able to call witnesses about Biden's activities in Ukraine, another, they do not want Trump's lawyers to cross-examine the whistleblower. The Dems are going to need to correct some of these errors or the process will not advance very effectively and will be seen as a partisan action, not a true impeachment inquiry.
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    @metal-brain said
    "but you have Britain supporting his political enemies"

    I never said that. Who are you talking about?
    Omg
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Omg
    Quote me if you can.
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    @shavixmir said
    Yes it is a bloody crime.
    Asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent is a bloody crime.

    On what fuking planet do you reside?

    As for the rest: whatever. There’s something disturbingly wrong with you. The only things you believe are conspiracy sites.
    It’s like discussing the planet with flat earthers. It’s like talking with someone in a psychosis.
    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    "Ambassador Valeriy Chaly's office says DNC contractor Alexandra Chalupa sought information from the Ukrainian government on Paul Manafort’s dealings inside the country in hopes of forcing the issue before Congress."

    "Nellie Ohr, wife of senior U.S. Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, acknowledged in congressional testimony that, while working for the Clinton-hired research firm Fusion GPS, she researched Trump's and Manafort’s ties to Russia and learned that Leshchenko, the Ukrainian lawmaker, was providing dirt to Fusion.

    Fusion also paid British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose anti-Trump dossier the FBI used as primary evidence to support its request to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. "

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/441892-ukrainian-embassy-confirms-dnc-contractor-solicited-trump-dirt-in-2016

    There you go. The DNC and HRC meddled in the 2016 election. It is a fact that is being omitted from the corporate news media because it is a propaganda network. Remember that every time you do not hear about it when you get your news.
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    @metal-brain said
    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    "Ambassador Valeriy Chaly's office says DNC contractor Alexandra Chalupa sought information from the Ukrainian government on Paul Manafort’s dealings inside the country in hopes of forcing the issue before Congress."

    "Nellie Ohr, wife of senior U.S. Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, acknowledged in congressional testimony ...[text shortened]... t is a propaganda network. Remember that every time you do not hear about it when you get your news.
    Dude, the only people who use the term “mainstream media” are batsht crazy right-wing conspiracy newslets.

    And that in its self is propaganda.
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    @metal-brain said
    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    "Ambassador Valeriy Chaly's office says DNC contractor Alexandra Chalupa sought information from the Ukrainian government on Paul Manafort’s dealings inside the country in hopes of forcing the issue before Congress."

    "Nellie Ohr, wife of senior U.S. Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, acknowledged in congressional testimony ...[text shortened]... t is a propaganda network. Remember that every time you do not hear about it when you get your news.
    Pretty ridiculous; Solomon's entire thesis is based on the claims of Andrii Telizhenko, which are strongly denied by Ukrainian officials. And even your article concedes:

    "Telizhenko said he never was able to confirm whether the information he collected for Chalupa was delivered to her, the DNC or the Clinton campaign."

    WOW! So, at best, you have a single individual who did some minor work for the DNC regarding outreach to Ukrainian communities in the US, trying to get some "dirt" on Paul Manafort that there is zero evidence ever actually reached the DNC or Clinton campaign.

    Is that really the best Solomon, a fanatical supporter of Trump, can come up with?

    Naturally, this sentence is loaded with falsehoods:

    "Fusion also paid British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, whose anti-Trump dossier the FBI used as primary evidence to support its request to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page."

    The Steele dossier was not the "primary evidence" and Carter Page was not a Trump campaign adviser by the time the FBI requested surveillance of him though he had been a known associate of Russian intelligence agents years before. The FISA warrant was applied for in October 2016 and Page had left the Trump campaign in September. In fact, Trump campaign officials at the time denied he ever had any connection with the campaign. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/297599-trump-campaign-backs-away-from-adviser-suspected-of-ties-to-kremlin

    So this is another false "whataboutism" that is irrelevant to Trump's admitted violations of law.
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    @shavixmir said
    Dude, the only people who use the term “mainstream media” are batsht crazy right-wing conspiracy newslets.

    And that in its self is propaganda.
    I never used that term. Get it right.

    Alexandra Chalupa worked for the DNC. She admitted that. She denies collusion, but since it is illegal that is expected. It is kind of like Epstein. Every high level politician knew him but none admit they knew he was doing anything illegal.

    Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt there was election interference from the Ukraine. They were convicted. There should at the very least be a discussion about it in the news media. You should remember that our country does it more than any other though.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-interfered-in-elections-of-at-least-85-countries-worldwide-since-1945/5601481

    So you see what kind of hypocrisy we are dealing with here, right? Everybody does it. When it all comes out republicans will not care and even some democrats will become desensitized to it.

    Biden still has a problem though. Shokin accused Biden of getting him fired to keep him from investigating his son after Burisma Holdings had an embezzlement incident involving American aid money that went to the Ukraine.

    Joe Biden never accused Shokin of lying and the corporate news media has falsely reported that Hunter didn't work there when Shokin was investigating Burisma. Besides, why would Shokin lie in a sworn statement? To be charged with perjury?

    Biden admitted to bribery to get Shokin fired when boasting about it at the CFR. Shokin said Biden had him fired to prevent him from investigating Burisma Holdings and Hunter Biden. Those are facts. That is why Biden and his son need to be part of the investigation for possible embezzlement.

    Democrats seem to want to rig the impeachment investigation to keep Trump from being able to cross examine witnesses and hold some proceedings in secret. This is an effort to hide the corruption of certain people. That will only make republicans dig in and fight and there will be no impeachment.
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    @no1marauder said
    Pretty ridiculous; Solomon's entire thesis is based on the claims of Andrii Telizhenko, which are strongly denied by Ukrainian officials. And even your article concedes:

    "Telizhenko said he never was able to confirm whether the information he collected for Chalupa was delivered to her, the DNC or the Clinton campaign."

    WOW! So, at best, you have a single individual ...[text shortened]...

    So this is another false "whataboutism" that is irrelevant to Trump's admitted violations of law.
    People denied committing crimes? I am shocked! I thought criminals were honest.

    "irrelevant to Trump's admitted violations of law"

    Trump never admitted violating the law. Stop making crap up!

    "The FISA warrant was applied for in October 2016 and Page had left the Trump campaign in September."

    What is your source of information?

    Here is an excerpt from the link below:

    "In an interview this month, Chalupa told Politico she had developed a network of sources in Kiev and Washington, including investigative journalists, government officials and private intelligence operatives. While her consulting work at the DNC this past election cycle centered on mobilizing ethnic communities — including Ukrainian-Americans — she said that, when Trump’s unlikely presidential campaign began surging in late 2015, she began focusing more on the research, and expanded it to include Trump’s ties to Russia, as well.

    She occasionally shared her findings with officials from the DNC and Clinton’s campaign, Chalupa said. In January 2016 — months before Manafort had taken any role in Trump’s campaign — Chalupa told a senior DNC official that, whenit came to Trump’s campaign, “I felt there was a Russia connection,” Chalupa recalled. “And that, if there was, that we can expect Paul Manafort to be involved in this election,” said Chalupa, who at the time also was warning leaders in the Ukrainian-American community that Manafort was “Putin’s political brain for manipulating U.S. foreign policy and elections.”

    She said she shared her concern with Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.S., Valeriy Chaly, and one of his top aides, Oksana Shulyar, during a March 2016 meeting at the Ukrainian Embassy. According to someone briefed on the meeting, Chaly said that Manafort was very much on his radar, but that he wasn’t particularly concerned about the operative’s ties to Trump since he didn’t believe Trump stood much of a chance of winning the GOP nomination, let alone the presidency.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

    I thought Politico was a reliable source of info. Is it wrong?
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    @metal-brain said
    I never used that term. Get it right.

    Alexandra Chalupa worked for the DNC. She admitted that. She denies collusion, but since it is illegal that is expected. It is kind of like Epstein. Every high level politician knew him but none admit they knew he was doing anything illegal.

    Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt there was election interference from the ...[text shortened]... f certain people. That will only make republicans dig in and fight and there will be no impeachment.
    It’s a fact if you say it’s a fact, got it comrade bot.
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