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    Have any of these new variants been truly isolated?
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    @shavixmir said
    There’s a British, a South African and possibly a Brazilian (shaved?) version of Covid-19 sweeping many countries.

    Are these terms equally racist as “The Chinese virus”?
    The British variant of Corona


    Racist
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    @earl-of-trumps said
    The British variant of Corona


    Racist
    The point being. You attacked the left over the term “British variant”, but the left has already, months ago, pointed out this discrepancy in the “racist” angle.

    After which there follows a debate (and considering you don’t even comprehend the above, I’m pretty certain you won’t understand the following either) that context of a term determines, to a large extent, the level of racism in the name.

    And then an attempt to create a workable name-system for mutations to a disease.

    But to sum it up for you: you are wrong.
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    Summary:
    In Chinese wet-markets, unique epicenters for transmission of potential viral pathogens, new genes may be acquired or existing genes modified through various mechanisms such as genetic reassortment, recombination and mutation. The wet-markets, at closer proximity to humans, with high viral burden or strains of higher transmission efficiency, facilitate transmission of the viruses to humans.


    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16940861/
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    @divegeester said
    Summary:
    In Chinese wet-markets, unique epicenters for transmission of potential viral pathogens, new genes may be acquired or existing genes modified through various mechanisms such as genetic reassortment, recombination and mutation. The wet-markets, at closer proximity to humans, with high viral burden or strains of higher transmission efficiency, facilitate transmission of the viruses to humans.


    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16940861/
    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741
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    @shavixmir said
    So it’s not the term “The Chinese virus” which makes it racist, it’s how it is used? Or who uses it?

    I.e. there is nothing inherently racist to the statement, it depends on context?
    Still doesn’t explain why it’s not just called Covid19? It’s less syllables than ‘Chinese virus’ and the idea that some incompetent leaders can deflect from their failures in protecting their electorate by constantly pointing at China as some sort of culprit is problematic going forward.
    We all need to take ownership of this virus and recognise that encroachment into wild habitats is a global problem with global consequences.
    I don’t have a problem with variants being labelled by their point of detection other than it’s misleading. It’s the countries with the best detection infrastructure that will have the most variants named after them. I think for practical purposes the Kent Variant would be a better label in case British labs detect another variant first.
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    @shavixmir said
    The point being. You attacked the left over the term “British variant”, but the left has already, months ago, pointed out this discrepancy in the “racist” angle.

    After which there follows a debate (and considering you don’t even comprehend the above, I’m pretty certain you won’t understand the following either) that context of a term determines, to a large extent, the le ...[text shortened]... reate a workable name-system for mutations to a disease.

    But to sum it up for you: you are wrong.
    *I* make the rules, not the politically correct.

    racist.
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    @kevcvs57 - Still doesn’t explain why it’s not just called Covid19?

    Call it whatever you want.

    Just do not say "Chinese flu" is racist, all the while utilizing the terms - British, South African, and Brazilian variants.

    otherwise, it i not only racist, it is discrimination.,
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    I think I read somewhere that the UK does half the world's genome sequencing for the variants, so hardly surprising one was found here. Mutations are part and parcel of viruses and it is highly likely there are variants originating in a great many countries that haven't yet been identified. (Or may never be identified).
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    @earl-of-trumps said
    @kevcvs57 - Still doesn’t explain why it’s not just called Covid19?

    Call it whatever you want.

    Just do not say "Chinese flu" is racist, all the while utilizing the terms - British, South African, and Brazilian variants.

    otherwise, it i not only racist, it is discrimination.,
    What not even if it is.
    Why are you pretending to not understand that it’s better to stick with scientific descriptors given it’s a problem that will only be addressed by cold science.
    I’m going to call it the ‘Climate Change and Habitat Loss” virus or C.C.H.L from now on because it seems more accurate.
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    @shavixmir
    When Trump called it 'Kungflu' he was being explicitly racist.
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    @sonhouse said
    @shavixmir
    When Trump called it 'Kungflu' he was being explicitly racist.
    Yes. Yes he was.
    I’m not arguing that in the least.
    And my point wasn’t even if the Chinese flu is racist or not.

    It’s if it is racist, then so is the English variant.

    But the debate has been had and the end conclusion is: depends on context.

    Fine by me.
    trump’s comments are obviously outside of any normal context.
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    @shavixmir said
    The point being. You attacked the left over the term “British variant”, but the left has already, months ago, pointed out this discrepancy in the “racist” angle.

    After which there follows a debate (and considering you don’t even comprehend the above, I’m pretty certain you won’t understand the following either) that context of a term determines, to a large extent, the le ...[text shortened]... reate a workable name-system for mutations to a disease.

    But to sum it up for you: you are wrong.
    Plus, are the British really a race?

    I'm thinking no.
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    I think I read somewhere that the UK does half the world's genome sequencing for the variants, so hardly surprising one was found here. Mutations are part and parcel of viruses and it is highly likely there are variants originating in a great many countries that haven't yet been identified. (Or may never be identified).
    Agreed. It’s odd that some people seem to think it’s going away, it’s not, it’s here forever like the flu and common cold.

    What will change is the frequency of fatality as populations become resistant and mutations less harmful but more infectious.
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    @suzianne said
    Plus, are the British really a race?
    I'm thinking no.
    Of course not! No more than Scandinavians or Americans.

    Dumbest question award is in the post.
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