1. Subscribersonhouse
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    17 May '22 13:49
    @EintaluJ
    Sounds like a moot point now, Turkey rejects the idea of Sweden and Finland getting into Nato.
  2. Subscribershavixmir
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    17 May '22 14:49
    @kevcvs57 said
    No I think the west is arming a like minded country so it can stand a ‘fart in a thunderstorms’ chance of securing its continued existence in the face of a brutal assault by an overwhelming force.
    If Ukraine invaded Belorussian territory and NATO provided the arms for it to do so whilst Moscow supported and armed the Belorussians then I would call that a proxy war between ...[text shortened]... this is a bit too direct and in each other’s faces to be a proxy war, we need another phrase for it.
    Isn’t that exactly the same as fighting a war by proxy?
  3. Subscriberkevcvs57
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    18 May '22 14:52
    @shavixmir said
    Isn’t that exactly the same as fighting a war by proxy?
    No because Russia is actually one of the fighting forces. To the best of my knowledge when two powers are fighting a proxy war neither power is directly involved. I could be wrong though, it’s just those are the historical examples I can think of.
    But either way this is a Russian war on Ukraine not a US led war on Russia.
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