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    @averagejoe1 said
    I've answered this in my couple of posts above. Here is a question for all of you. These ideas have been studied by a lot of people smarter than you and me. Including Bernie, who COULD NOT come up with a way to do it......or, Trump people would have done it. In other words, it cannot be done in this country under our present structure.

    So tell us how you wou ...[text shortened]... re of themselves, to be dependent on no one.
    So how would you do it, given those parameters ???
    What's with your angst against bicycles?
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    @averagejoe1 said
    I've answered this in my couple of posts above. Here is a question for all of you. These ideas have been studied by a lot of people smarter than you and me. Including Bernie, who COULD NOT come up with a way to do it......or, Trump people would have done it. In other words, it cannot be done in this country under our present structure.

    So tell us how you wou ...[text shortened]... re of themselves, to be dependent on no one.
    So how would you do it, given those parameters ???
    No, no you haven’t though. What you’ve done is classic backing out of a corner you posted yourself into.
    Heads up for future reference Joe. You cannot self select the examples that you think suit your racist argument snd ignore those that blow it to smithereens.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    No, no you haven’t though. What you’ve done is classic backing out of a corner you posted yourself into.
    Heads up for future reference Joe. You cannot self select the examples that you think suit your racist argument snd ignore those that blow it to smithereens.
    To the point, I find it laughable that you and the all-knowing Bernie think that the USA can emulate Nordic. It can't. I looked it up!!! Otherwise, We would be doing it. My granddad would call you a slanthead!
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    @suzianne said
    What's with your angst against bicycles?
    Yes , I know Trump is gone. You too, will know it soon enough. Oil, at $50/bbl aint going to be there long. We (well, not me) will indeed be taking to bicycles.
    I mention them, as the streets are flooded with them,like the millions of motor scooters on the streets of Vietnam. Americans are, for lack of a better word, a tougher lot, and we don't have time to spend on a bicycle seat. Folks who live off the government in Never-Never Nordic Land have plenty of time to languish along.
    We Americans are busy!!! Well, up to now we have been, not many jobs now Trump is gone, and minimum wage will see closing businesses.
    Downer. Hope your savings have been reaping gains.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    To the point, I find it laughable that you and the all-knowing Bernie think that the USA can emulate Nordic. It can't. I looked it up!!! Otherwise, We would be doing it. My granddad would call you a slanthead!
    Well your grandad was probably as stupidly racist as you joe these attitudes to education tend to be cyclical.
    The UK is not a Nordic country though is it joe? And we have the very system that your claiming wouldn’t work in a non Nordic country like the USA. You realise that we’re going around in circles here because you cannot remember our earlier discussion in this very thread.
    Just swallow the fng tablets joe.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Well your grandad was probably as stupidly racist as you joe these attitudes to education tend to be cyclical.
    The UK is not a Nordic country though is it joe? And we have the very system that your claiming wouldn’t work in a non Nordic country like the USA. You realise that we’re going around in circles here because you cannot remember our earlier discussion in this very thread.
    Just swallow the fng tablets joe.
    Wait, dont leave us. Tell us why our government, economists, leaders do not do things here the way that the Euuurrooooppppeeeeeeaans do things? What is there reasoning, their justification, for not making us all as happy as the happiest countries in the world?
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    Hello???
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Wait, dont leave us. Tell us why our government, economists, leaders do not do things here the way that the Euuurrooooppppeeeeeeaans do things? What is there reasoning, their justification, for not making us all as happy as the happiest countries in the world?
    You don’t know?
    In the 30’s the US had a large communist movement and very strong unions.

    But the US has always had a cowboy attitude as well. Pride, individuality, self-confidence: the, “I crossed the prairy, built my own home and work and I’m proud of it!” attitude. “Only in America!”
    Obviously based upon a 30 year period (1850 to 1880, give or take) and on an ever growing myth of breaking away from the motherland (England) to go it alone.
    A sort of coming to age story. The American dream.

    That the war of independence was won because of the French and matters beyond the US, fades from view. That a mass ethnic cleansing of native Americans took place to facilitate the Western expansion is forgotten, etc.

    Now, in most Western countries, for sometime (think centuries upon centuries) there has been a drive to whiddle power from the hands of the king and the feudal system. So, first large land owners got their parliaments. Then industrial leaders got the vote. Then unions fought for working men to get the vote. Then women fought for emancipation, etc.
    There is a long history of diverting power from the few to the many.
    After WW1 the working movement gained serious traction in Western Europe. Nobody (well, obviously nearly nobody) wanted a repeat of that war...

    Are you still listening or are you bored to tears?
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    @shavixmir said
    You don’t know?
    In the 30’s the US had a large communist movement and very strong unions.

    But the US has always had a cowboy attitude as well. Pride, individuality, self-confidence: the, “I crossed the prairy, built my own home and work and I’m proud of it!” attitude. “Only in America!”
    Obviously based upon a 30 year period (1850 to 1880, give or take) and on an ever ...[text shortened]... nearly nobody) wanted a repeat of that war...

    Are you still listening or are you bored to tears?
    I am listening, and it is well-written. I would like, though, to skip a few chapters and get to the chapters dealing with recent times?
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    @averagejoe1 said
    I am listening, and it is well-written. I would like, though, to skip a few chapters and get to the chapters dealing with recent times?
    Then it is pointless.

    You want to know why your politicians and government and businesses are not as social as their European counterparts, you have to understand the historical context.

    However, to suit your needs (with sweeping generalisations):

    Europeans are volatile and less accepting of government line.
    Businesses don’t differ much to US businesses, especially international corporations.
    Their lobby isn’t as strong as US lobbying though, because politicians have to keep in mind that you can push Europeans only so far before you literally get revolutions happening.

    Americans have this dream that anyone can make it to the top and if you fail it’s your own fault.
    Europeans know this to be false (the vast majority at the top are there because their parents were or had the money to get them there).
    So the concept of good living in Europe is working to live, as much free time and holiday as possible and spending as little time and energy possible on matters of obligation (paying taxes, insurance, health services, etc): an attitude of: “If it’s gotta be done, do it for me, so I can spend more time doing things I enjoy.”

    Also, don’t forget that many parts of Europe are open museums with large parts of the population living in places stooped with 1000+ years of history.
    In LA the oldest building isn’t 200 years old.

    From where I live, it’s 15 minutes to stumble upon your first Panther (panzer V) tank. A present to Breda from the Polish soldiers who liberated the city.
    It’s a 2 hour drive to the fields of flanders.
    It’s a 10 minute walk to trenches built in the 1620’s in the war against Spain.
    It’s a 2,5 hour drive to Bastogne.

    Amsterdam is an hour away, Paris 4 hours (by car) and Berlin 6 hours.
    Before Corona, you could fly to Rome and back for less than 100 euros.
    But Roman buildings, roads, aquaducts (1700 years old) are all over the place.
    Churches which are 1100 years old are all over the place.
    It’s a 2,5 hour ride to Akken. Which in the 800’s was the centre of Europe.

    This does things to a person. History is felt all around you.

    And an 80 hour work-week fails to impress when you’re gazing over the field of white crosses at Saint Quentin or standing in St. Peters.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Wait, dont leave us. Tell us why our government, economists, leaders do not do things here the way that the Euuurrooooppppeeeeeeaans do things? What is there reasoning, their justification, for not making us all as happy as the happiest countries in the world?
    Because they are totally in the thrall of ( reds under the beds ) scaremongers like yourself and their corporate masters who have bought and paid for all three arms of your government.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Shallow, sorry, but it was you that brought up oher countries, the 2nd post on page 4. Then, after I thought I would filter a bit and name the ones you are obviously referring to,
    There is nothing obvious about that - that is all your panic about oohScaryScandiSocialism. I wasn't thinking about them at all. I quite explicitly and intentionally referred to many countries of varying sizes and kinds. Isn't it time you stopped lying about other people's posts?
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    @shavixmir said
    Then it is pointless.

    You want to know why your politicians and government and businesses are not as social as their European counterparts, you have to understand the historical context.

    However, to suit your needs (with sweeping generalisations):

    Europeans are volatile and less accepting of government line.
    Businesses don’t differ much to US businesses, especiall ...[text shortened]... press when you’re gazing over the field of white crosses at Saint Quentin or standing in St. Peters.
    A very nice post, i enjoyed reading it.Many of us have been to the places you mention, and more, .and yes, it all gives us pause. Standing in a Vnam rice field does indeed create un-experienced feelings.
    But, still, I am simply asking (assuming our government has noticed how great and happy everything is about the Nordic plans) why our extremely smart economists and planners do not come forth with a plan to copy and emulate the Nordic plan. This is not meant to be argumentative. Knowing that none of us really know why that is, why do you think that this is the case,,,,that, the USA plods along with our present system?
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    @averagejoe1 said
    A very nice post, i enjoyed reading it.Many of us have been to the places you mention, and more, .and yes, it all gives us pause. Standing in a Vnam rice field does indeed create un-experienced feelings.
    But, still, I am simply asking (assuming our government has noticed how great and happy everything is about the Nordic plans) why our extremely smart economists and ...[text shortened]... hat is, why do you think that this is the case,,,,that, the USA plods along with our present system?
    Wrong. I've read some statistics where in some states that 40% of the population have never been farther than 100 miles from their place of birth.
    For most of these individuals, their entire world view has been fed to them through the media outlet of their choice.
    In the case of most Trump supporters, that would be FOX and media outlets to the right of them.
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    @mghrn55 said
    Wrong. I've read some statistics where in some states that 40% of the population have never been farther than 100 miles from their place of birth.
    For most of these individuals, their entire world view has been fed to them through the media outlet of their choice.
    In the case of most Trump supporters, that would be FOX and media outlets to the right of them.
    If you are answering the question in my post, I surely do not understand the answer. I don't even know what 'Wrong." means.
    It was a simple question. Why doesn't USA go the Nordic route? I could make it shorter if you'd like....Why isn't the USA Nordic?
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