If we don't use any natural gas or oil.

Then what good is it?

@jj-adams said
Then what good is it?

a lot of money to be made with this scheme. libs dont understand how much everyday life depends on oil. It is nearly impossible to live without it. Going back to caveman life would do be the norm if the elites get their way.

China is the greatest beneficiary of all this. Just how intertwined is china and the democrats is the question.

@mott-the-hoople said
a lot of money to be made with this scheme. libs dont understand how much everyday life depends on oil. It is nearly impossible to live without it. Going back to caveman life would do be the norm if the elites get their way.

China is the greatest beneficiary of all this. Just how intertwined is china and the democrats is the question.

Henry Ford: I figured out how to mass produce automobiles so we don't need horses for transportation anymore.

JJ: But..... what are we going to do with all the horses?

@jj-adams said
Then what good is it?

We will use natural gas and oil so your question is irrelevant. If we don't use it in internal combustion engines than we will use it to synthesize other chemicals.

@wildgrass said
Henry Ford: I figured out how to mass produce automobiles so we don't need horses for transportation anymore.

JJ: But..... what are we going to do with all the horses?

A young engineer get's a start at a third world mining site.

"Right first we get rid of the picks, shovels and wheel barrows, replace them with some 120t excavators and articulated dumpers."

"Whoah, whoah, whoah" the management say, "that's going to put a lot of local people out of work."

"Ok, so we replace their shovels with teaspoons." says the new guy.

@jj-adams said
Then what good is it?

The point is, it will run out. It’s finite.
So, you need alternatives anyway.

Don’t worry about Saudi-Arabia though. They have loads of sun, so they’ll use that to power hydrogen plants.

@jj-adams said
Then what good is it?

We can use coal and wood instead. Just bring back steam powered vehicles like the Stanley Steamer. We could make them better now with technology being so much better than back then. Jay Leno says they take too much time to warm up. He owns a couple of them. Aside from that they worked fine and some of them were fast too. Petrol was just a lot cheaper back then so it won out over steam. Gasoline was a waste product from kerosene making back then. It was super cheap.

Now that gasoline is expensive steam (external combustion engine) might actually make sense if you are in no hurry and you live in a rural area. It makes even more sense in high elevations where the air is thinner. I remember diesel locomotives replaced steam in the Andes mountains and the thin air made the diesel engines inefficient.

@metal-brain said
We can use coal and wood instead. Just bring back steam powered vehicles like the Stanley Steamer. We could make them better now with technology being so much better than back then. Jay Leno says they take too much time to warm up. He owns a couple of them. Aside from that they worked fine and some of them were fast too. Petrol was just a lot cheaper back then so it won o ...[text shortened]... omotives replaced steam in the Andes mountains and the thin air made the diesel engines inefficient.

Haha yeah just forget that big yellow nuclear power plant up in the sky, steam is the way to go
If we are going to retrograde our energy sources why not skip steam and go right back to wind and water mills because their technology has improved quite a bit too.

@kevcvs57 said
Haha yeah just forget that big yellow nuclear power plant up in the sky, steam is the way to go
If we are going to retrograde our energy sources why not skip steam and go right back to wind and water mills because their technology has improved quite a bit too.

Solar power is woeful, and one need not look any further than the solar powered car race in Australia. Flimsy light weight uncomfortable fickle contraptions without any safety features or air-con, unable to carry luggage, teams looking to gain some slim edge by using thin midget drivers, made from hi tech plastics and materials that rely on fossil fuels. And best of all, what's this? the support team following in their fossil fuel powered vehicles. It doesn't matter if by some miracle they produced a super efficient panel you'd still need a football field to drive an average family car.

@kevcvs57 said
Haha yeah just forget that big yellow nuclear power plant up in the sky, steam is the way to go
If we are going to retrograde our energy sources why not skip steam and go right back to wind and water mills because their technology has improved quite a bit too.

LOL!
Nuclear power is generated with steam. Steam never went away.

@metal-brain said
LOL!
Nuclear power is generated with steam. Steam never went away.

One small point sir. Nuclear power produces heat which is used to create steam which is used to turn a steam turbine which is used to generate electricity.

@wajoma said
Solar power is woeful, and one need not look any further than the solar powered car race in Australia. Flimsy light weight uncomfortable fickle contraptions without any safety features or air-con, unable to carry luggage, teams looking to gain some slim edge by using thin midget drivers, made from hi tech plastics and materials that rely on fossil fuels. And best of all, wha ...[text shortened]... y produced a super efficient panel you'd still need a football field to drive an average family car.

Yeah sure wajoma as a spokestwot for the energy corporations you would know all this 🙄

@wajoma said
One small point sir. Nuclear power produces heat which is used to create steam which is used to turn a steam turbine which is used to generate electricity.

I know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_generator_(nuclear_power)

Any fuel that creates heat is usually turning a steam turbine. Coal, natural gas and any fossil fuel is usually heating water to make steam. There are ways to create electricity from heat without steam, but efficiency is lacking is those areas. Steam is still the best we have for electricity generation.

In a lot of ways we are still in the steam age.

@wajoma said
One small point sir. Nuclear power produces heat which is used to create steam which is used to turn a steam turbine which is used to generate electricity.

Nuclear power plants are just fancy steam engines with a lot of serious drawbacks, like poisoning the entire Earth.
I read years back that we would have over 2000 years of coal to use if we figured out how to burn it cleanly in power plants and homes, etc.
Seems like if we did that, it'd be better than generating heat with Uranium as fuel which we still haven't figured out how to use cleanly.

@jj-adams said
Then what good is it?

Hey Einstein -

Contrary to what the nice people on FOX and friends tell you, no one is advocating the elimination of the use of gas and oil. What those nice people on your TV show aren't telling you is solar and wind power is now cheaper than gas and oil. Oil will always be needed for lubrication and the manufacturing of plastics and other products, but the right wing's pig-headed allegiance to the most expensive and dirtiest form of energy no longer makes much sense. Please stop lying about what Liberals advocate.