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    @averagejoe1 said
    Would anyone say that Bernie is a 'Great American"?
    Bernie is an American.
    Perhaps you would like to provide the criteria on greatness.
    Tell us .....
    What makes an American great ??
    While you're at it ... enlighten us.
    What makes America great ??
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    16 Jan '20 15:311 edit
    @mghrn55 said
    Bernie is an American.
    Perhaps you would like to provide the criteria on greatness.
    Tell us .....
    What makes an American great ??
    While you're at it ... enlighten us.
    What makes America great ??
    Land of opportunity is a good start. Bernie's and Warren's plans will stifle it. If you lived in a welfare country like France, Finland, Belgium, Italy, Denmark, Austria, Sweden or Greece, you would have a difficult time being successful, as defined by comparing success in the USA. Because, your money is taken by the government. Bernie and Warren would be all in for that. Tax revenue in France, for instance, is 46%. You want Bernie to take 46% of your salary? He will take more than that. He thinks that we are a rich country, so we can afford it!! Can you?

    Edit: I just looked up Sweden....Average worker pays 30% in income tax, but additionally close to 30% in hidden taxes. ;That is 60%. Sure would be hard to get ahead in Sweden.

    America is great because you can get ahead, and be anything you want to be.
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    16 Jan '20 15:48
    @averagejoe1 said
    you would have a difficult time being successful, as defined by comparing success in the USA.
    Defined how?
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    16 Jan '20 16:07
    @averagejoe1 said
    Land of opportunity is a good start. Bernie's and Warren's plans will stifle it. If you lived in a welfare country like France, Finland, Belgium, Italy, Denmark, Austria, Sweden or Greece, you would have a difficult time being successful, as defined by comparing success in the USA. Because, your money is taken by the government. Bernie and Warren would be all in for ...[text shortened]... get ahead in Sweden.

    America is great because you can get ahead, and be anything you want to be.
    You forgot to include Venezuela. 😛
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    19 Jan '20 20:47
    @caissad4 said
    All sides have crazies .
    Seriously!?

    You're going there!?

    Sure. Sure. All sides have some crazies. Even Christianity had its Savonarola and the Love Generation had its William Powell.

    But only one side is crazies, and we all know which side goes for the pussy-grabber and the "Rationalism", don't we?
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    21 Jan '20 09:36
    @mghrn55 said
    Bernie is an American.
    Perhaps you would like to provide the criteria on greatness.
    Tell us .....
    What makes an American great ??
    While you're at it ... enlighten us.
    What makes America great ??
    Pre-Trump America.
  7. SubscriberSuzianne
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    21 Jan '20 09:39
    @averagejoe1 said

    America is great because you can get ahead, and be anything you want to be.
    As long as you're willing to stomp on everyone else on your way up, you mean. That's how Trump did it.
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    22 Jan '20 21:26
    @suzianne said
    As long as you're willing to stomp on everyone else on your way up, you mean. That's how Trump did it.
    He'd have been stomped into the mud if he'd had to do it all by himself. No, the way Trump did it is by being given it by his daddy, and only then stomping on others from a safe, silver-spoon penthouse.
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    22 Jan '20 21:32
    @suzianne said
    As long as you're willing to stomp on everyone else on your way up, you mean. That's how Trump did it.
    No, Trump inherited a massive fortune and subsequently squandered most of it.
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